Newsgroups: sci.physics.research
From: t...@ugcs.caltech.edu (Toby Bartels)
Date: 1999/01/14
Subject: Re: Just Categories now
james dolan <jdo...@math.ucr.edu> wrote: OK, I tried to think about this, but I don't really know where to start. >Toby Bartels <t...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: >>Or is it just that groupoids are needed for the deep homotopy connection? >that's part of my motivation by now, but i think my original >motivation had less to do with the "dictionary" that relates groupoid >theory to a special part of homotopy theory than with a different but >in its own way equally powerful "dictionary" relating groupoid theory >to a special kind of predicate logic. in the world of predicate logic >there's an obvious sense in which adding extra "properties" to the >models of a theory means adding new axioms to the theory, adding extra >"structure" to the models means adding new predicate symbols (possibly >supplemented by new axioms) to the theory, and adding extra "stuff" to >the models means adding new "types" (possibly supplemented by new >predicate symbols and axioms) to the theory. this >property/structure/stuff distinction in predicate logic matches >perfectly the property/structure/stuff distinction in groupoid theory >if groupoids are interpreted as a certain sort of logical theories in >a certain way. Give me a clue: what famous groupoid corresponds to what I've been taught to regard as the basic predicate calculus: ordinary logic with forall, forsome, and equality? >>james dolan <jdo...@math.ucr.edu> wrote: Another example of my remaining uncategorical thinking, clearly. >>>for any integer n greater than or equal to -1, a space x is >>>defined to be of "homotopy dimension n" iff for any integer >>>j strictly greater than n, every continuous map from the >>>j-dimensional sphere s^j to x is homotopic to a constant map. >>You can even generalize this to n = -2, noting that s^{-1} is the empty set. >>Of course, no map from s^{-1} to any space can ever be homotopic to a >>constant, yet there is always some map from s^{-1} to any space (the >>empty map), so no space has homotopy dimension -2, which must be why >>nobody talks about it. >hmm. first of all, i think i should revise my definition of homotopy >dimension to eliminate the idea of "homotopic to a constant map", >because people seem to disagree on the meaning of "constant map" when >the domain is empty. (some people think that constantness of maps is >the property of factoring through the one-point set, others think it's >the _structure_ of being equipped with a specific factorization >through the one-point set, and toby apparently thinks it's the >property of having the one-point set as image.) I remember thinking that some fool might argue >for any integer n greater than or equal to -2, a space x is defined to What topology are you putting on this space of functions? >be of "homotopy dimension n" iff for every continuous map m from the >[n+1]-dimensional sphere s^[n+1] to x, the space of extensions of m to >the [n+2]-dimensional disk d^[n+2] is contractible. >finally, if there's anything such as "spaces of homotopy dimension That would require S^{-2}. >-3", i don't want to hear about it. I've been thinking about it, and I don't think that exists. For no definition of S^n that I can think of does S^{-2} make sense. (And I can be quite sure that {} isn't the suspension of anything.) For example, you say >the disk d^[j+1] is No matter what space we take for S^{-2}, >defined to be the mapping cylinder of the map s^j->1, and the sphere >s^[j+1] is defined to be the pushout d^[j+1] +_[s^j] d^[j+1]. applying this definition to get D^{-2} and then S^{-1} will never yield that S^{-1} is the empty set. Therefore, S^{-2} doesn't exist. -- Toby You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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