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XOZ  
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 More options Jul 4, 8:51 am
Newsgroups: misc.transport.road
From: XOZ <garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 05:51:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 8:51 am
Subject: Full of Irony
I found this series on YouTube about the construction of the Cypress
Freeway (I-880) in Oakland.  This is the most complete views I have
ever seen of what it actually looked like before it collapsed.  The
link is the last of the five with the most "complete" videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZNBzfTAbFw

Check out the CREEPY tapered columns on the upper deck and how much
those crazy things were holding up.  Those tapered columns tell me why
the Embarcadero (built with normal columns in 1961) did not collapse
while this one did.  It is amazing it didn't collapse BEFORE the
earthquake with its incredibly shoddy design, which is described in
detail all the way through.  I would love to hear any mtr engineers
commentary on what in all was wrong with this design.  What I knew
that stood out was the shallow columns, weak columns on upper
structure and the reinforcement even looked poor.


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argatlam_roads@yahoo.com. mx  
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 More options Jul 4, 9:20 am
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From: "argatlam_ro...@yahoo.com.mx" <argatlam_ro...@yahoo.com.mx>
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 14:20:16 +0100
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 9:20 am
Subject: Re: Full of Irony
['XOZ':]

> Check out the CREEPY tapered columns on the upper deck and how much
> those crazy things were holding up.  Those tapered columns tell me why
> the Embarcadero (built with normal columns in 1961) did not collapse
> while this one did.  It is amazing it didn't collapse BEFORE the
> earthquake with its incredibly shoddy design, which is described in
> detail all the way through.  I would love to hear any mtr engineers
> commentary on what in all was wrong with this design.  What I knew
> that stood out was the shallow columns, weak columns on upper
> structure and the reinforcement even looked poor.

Tapered columns have nothing to do with why the Cypress Viaduct
collapsed.  Look at all the freeways built today (including in
earthquake-prone zones) with column shafts which taper from top to bottom.

Basically, the Cypress Viaduct collapsed because its design, which was
finalized in 1953 and was considered to have three times the strength it
needed to handle the seismic loadings then accepted for design, did not
take into account the amplified ground motions which resulted from the
poorly consolidated soils in that part of Oakland.

The Cypress was also built without shear keys connecting the lower deck
to the columns and the upper deck.  Shear keys are basically lengths of
reinforced concrete which are designed to oppose shearing stresses.  In
the case of the Cypress during the Loma Prieta earthquake, the shearing
stresses came from the lower deck responding to seismic loading by
moving in one direction, while the columns holding the upper deck tried
to stay in the same place due to inertia.  Because there was no steel
reinforcement to resist the shear stresses at the column bases, there
was just unreinforced concrete in those locations to oppose the cyclic
loading caused by the earthquake.

Concrete is very strong in compression but very weak in tension, which
is why steel reinforcement has to be provided whenever concrete is
likely to be in tension.  Thus, after a suitable number of cycles of
alternating tension and compression, the concrete just crumbled and that
in turn caused the columns to fail and the upper deck to come pancaking
down.

There were localized areas of the viaduct which collapsed in a different
way due to other mechanisms which came into play because of different
local ground conditions.  But, as a generalization, the majority of the
viaduct came down because of the missing shear keys.  They simply were
not provided at the time of design in 1953 because they were not
considered to be necessary.


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freeway...@bellsouth.net  
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 More options Jul 4, 10:40 am
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From: freeway...@bellsouth.net
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 07:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 10:40 am
Subject: Re: Full of Irony
On Jul 4, 8:51 am, XOZ <garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I found this series on YouTube about the construction of the Cypress
> Freeway (I-880) in Oakland.  This is the most complete views I have
> ever seen of what it actually looked like before it collapsed.  The
> link is the last of the five with the most "complete" videos.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZNBzfTAbFw

> Check out the CREEPY tapered columns on the upper deck and how much
> those crazy things were holding up.  Those tapered columns tell me why
> the Embarcadero (built with normal columns in 1961) did not collapse
> while this one did.  It is amazing it didn't collapse BEFORE the
> earthquake with its incredibly shoddy design, which is described in
> detail all the way through.  I would love to hear any mtr engineers
> commentary on what in all was wrong with this design.  What I knew
> that stood out was the shallow columns, weak columns on upper
> structure and the reinforcement even looked poor.

Great find!

Love those single bar railings!

Jim K. Georges


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 More options Jul 4, 11:31 am
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From: Laurence Sheldon <lfshel...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 10:31:31 -0500
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 11:31 am
Subject: Re: Full of Irony

freeway...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> On Jul 4, 8:51 am, XOZ <garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I found this series on YouTube about the construction of the Cypress
>> Freeway (I-880) in Oakland.  This is the most complete views I have

I mlived in the Bay Area for many years, ending,it turns out, in 1989.

At no time did I ever hear the Nimitz Freeway (I880) referred to as the
Cypress Freeway.

There was a Cypress Street Viaduct, I think.

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 More options Jul 4, 11:08 pm
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From: XOZ <garoadwarrio...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 20:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jul 4 2008 11:08 pm
Subject: Re: Full of Irony
On Jul 4, 9:20 am, "argatlam_ro...@yahoo.com.mx"

Did the Embarcadero have shear keys?  Is this why it did NOT
collapse?  If it did not, then it would stand reason the columns were
still an issue.  If it did, then that makes sense.  I have always
heard they were near identical in design, and the only difference I
saw was that the top deck on the Embarcadero carried far less weight
(two lanes opposed to four) and the columns were equal lengthwise and
widthwise top to bottom.

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 More options Jul 5, 8:23 am
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From: "argatlam_ro...@yahoo.com.mx" <argatlam_ro...@yahoo.com.mx>
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 13:23:49 +0100
Local: Sat, Jul 5 2008 8:23 am
Subject: Re: Full of Irony
['XOZ':]

> Did the Embarcadero have shear keys?  Is this why it did NOT
> collapse?  If it did not, then it would stand reason the columns were
> still an issue.  If it did, then that makes sense.  I have always
> heard they were near identical in design, and the only difference I
> saw was that the top deck on the Embarcadero carried far less weight
> (two lanes opposed to four) and the columns were equal lengthwise and
> widthwise top to bottom.

I don't know if the Embarcadero had shear keys; the construction plans
for it have not been put on the Web and I am not aware of any publicly
available studies of its structural design.  (In contradistinction,
there are a number of reports online dealing with the reasons for the
Cypress Viaduct's collapse--see links below.)  While the reasons you
describe would have played a role, I think the Embarcadero was saved by
different ground conditions.

The overriding point is that all of the double-decker freeways in the
Bay Area that did not collapse had a narrow escape.  This is why they
have since all been substantially modified or demolished.  Part of the
Century Freeway lost its second story while the tail end was demolished,
the entire Embarcadero was demolished, the Bay Bridge west approach
viaduct is being reconstructed and seismically retrofitted, the Bay
Bridge east span is being replaced, etc.

Some research reports on the Cypress Viaduct collapse can be found here:

http://nisee.berkeley.edu/elibrary/Text/8515

http://nisee.berkeley.edu/elibrary/Text/8516

http://nisee.berkeley.edu/elibrary/Text/11275

http://nisee.berkeley.edu/elibrary/Text/12436


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