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Dave Thomas  
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 More options Dec 9 2004, 8:52 pm
Newsgroups: comp.lang.ruby
From: Dave Thomas <d...@pragprog.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 10:52:18 +0900
Local: Thurs, Dec 9 2004 8:52 pm
Subject: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?
Gentle Ruby folk:

I'm hoping to launch a new series of books from The Pragmatic
Bookshelf. "Facets of Ruby" will a a set of small, focussed, and
technical books about different aspects of Ruby. And I'm looking for
folks to write them!

I have no fixed ideas on the titles, but to give you an idea of the
kinds of things I'm looking for, you might well see books come out
named something like:

   * Writing Ruby Extensions
   * Using Ruby in the Semantic Web
   * Creating E-Commerce Sites using Rails
   * Rapid Application Development with Iowa
   * Migrating from Java to Ruby

The intent is to create a series of books with a deeply practical
focus. We won't just document APIs. Instead, we want to show how to get
_value_ from those APIs---how to solve real-world problems. The books
will probably be 100-250 pages long, and full of code.

To do this, I'm hoping to attract the best and the brightest--the folks
who know. Which is why I'm posting the message to this list.

If you've always fancied writing a book on some aspect of Ruby, now's
your chance.  When you work with us, you'll get to use a tool chain
that's the envy of the publishing industry in an extremely agile
production environment. We'll sell the books (in paper and PDF form)
off our web site, and the world-class O'Reilly team will distribute the
physical books to books stores and online retailers world-wide. Our
royalty scheme is simple, transparent, and generous.

You won't get rich--that's pretty much impossible in the technical book
market. But we'll have fun, and hopefully build a world-class resource
for the growing Ruby community.

If you're interested, send me an e-mail at
'mailto:facets-of-r...@pragprog.com' containing a single paragraph
summary of the book you want to write. If we want to take a particular
project further, we'll then ask for an outline and a short extract from
the book. If everything works out, we'll then go on to write a book.

Just to get the ball rolling, I'm just starting to write the second
book in the series (if you count PickAxe II as the first)---I'm working
on an introduction to Rails.

Cheers

Dave


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Peņa, Botp  
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 More options Dec 9 2004, 9:18 pm
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From: "Peņa, Botp" <b...@delmonte-phil.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:18:55 +0900
Local: Thurs, Dec 9 2004 9:18 pm
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

Dave Thomas [mailto:d...@pragprog.com] wrote:

//Gentle Ruby folk:
//
//I'm hoping to launch a new series of books from The Pragmatic
//Bookshelf. "Facets of Ruby" will a a set of small, focussed, and
//technical books about different aspects of Ruby. And I'm looking for
//folks to write them!
[snip cool things]

this is a noble idea/task. Thanks sir Dave.
We'd appreciate very much if the projects will be posted publicly so we will
know if a project has been taken or not; or is it ok to dup? =)

//
//Dave
//

kind regards -botp


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Dave Thomas  
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 More options Dec 9 2004, 9:28 pm
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From: Dave Thomas <pragd...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:28:59 +0900
Local: Thurs, Dec 9 2004 9:28 pm
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

On Dec 9, 2004, at 20:18, Peņa, Botp wrote:

> We'd appreciate very much if the projects will be posted publicly so
> we will
> know if a project has been taken or not; or is it ok to dup? =)

The way of the book world is that folks sign up to write, then
sometimes get sidetracked and don't finish. I don't want the community
to look at a list and expect to see the books on it materialize--I'd
rather the authors individually agreed before announcing their titles.

Cheers

Dave


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markusj...@gmx.de  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 3:24 am
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From: markusj...@gmx.de
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:24:02 +0100
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 3:24 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?
hi Dave

although I lack the time to write
I will definitely buy the books !!

I am currently reading Pickaxe 2 and it
is the best book about a Programming language
I have ever read (and I have read a lot !)

a book on Rails would be great. I think
Rails will be Ruby's killer application. so a book
would be needed.

another Idea for a book would be
"Effective Ruby" in the style of the
"Effective C++/ Perl / Java, / J2EE " books
form Addison-Wesley.

thanks for your effort.

regards

Markus


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martinus  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 3:36 am
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From: "martinus" <martin.ank...@gmail.com>
Date: 10 Dec 2004 00:36:47 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 3:36 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

>   * Using Ruby in the Semantic Web

I want this!

martinus


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Stefan Schmiedl  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 4:45 am
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From: Stefan Schmiedl <s...@xss.de>
Date: 10 Dec 2004 09:45:09 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 4:45 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?
On 10 Dec 2004 00:36:47 -0800,

martinus <martin.ank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>   * Using Ruby in the Semantic Web

> I want this!

Then write it!

It has several advantages:
- You are the first to read it.
- You can get the author to make changes.
- You get a lot of work with almost no pay.
- You get a tremendous amount of relief once the thing is out of your
  hands.

Anybody up for collaboration on the RAD-IOWA book?

s.


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Luc Heinrich  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 5:34 am
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From: luc...@mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 11:34:26 +0100
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 5:34 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

Dave Thomas <d...@pragprog.com> wrote:
> I'm working on an introduction to Rails.

I KNEW IT ! :))

--
Luc Heinrich - luc...@mac.com


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martinus  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 6:14 am
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From: "martinus" <martin.ank...@gmail.com>
Date: 10 Dec 2004 03:14:17 -0800
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 6:14 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?
With my current knowledge about semantic web, i could not even write a
leaflet.

martinus


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daniel cremer  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 6:43 am
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From: daniel cremer <dan...@danielcremer.com>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 20:43:26 +0900
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 6:43 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

On Fri, 2004-12-10 at 18:47 +0900, Stefan Schmiedl wrote:
> Anybody up for collaboration on the RAD-IOWA book?

> s.

I have been extremely busy recently, however, luckily it was time spent
working with Iowa. I definitely don't have the time to do much writing
but would be happy to chip in with proof reading, submitting ideas and
generally helping out on an IOWA book... Of course the authority on Iowa
at the moment is Kirk :)
Feel free to contact me off list if anyone wants to discuss this.

Daniel


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Michael Neumann  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 7:24 am
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From: Michael Neumann <mneum...@ntecs.de>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:24:41 +0900
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 7:24 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

Stefan, did you have taken a look at Wee? Or are you using IOWA due to
it's templating engine? Wee is much more like the current Seaside by Avi
Bryant, but not a plain port thereof. It's still in development,
currently I'm mostly on documenting it:

http://www.ntecs.de/viewcvs/viewcvs/*checkout*/Wee/branches/dev/doc/r...

And someone mentioned that he's porting Mewa
(http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/files/mewa.pdf) over to Ruby/Wee.

I'm currently further on extracting and cleaning up the core of Wee,
which is independent of HTTP and HTML, and includes only the component
logic (the session logic is pretty minimal). Templating is 100%
choosable, but it comes with a programmatical HTML generation API.
Lot's of parts of the source is now very clean, and all together it's
1600 LoC (600 for the core where near to 50% is documention)... And all
memory holes have been fixed.

Regards,

   Michael


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Stefan Schmiedl  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 8:45 am
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From: Stefan Schmiedl <s...@xss.de>
Date: 10 Dec 2004 13:45:11 GMT
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 8:45 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:24:41 +0900,

Michael Neumann <mneum...@ntecs.de> wrote:

> Stefan, did you have taken a look at Wee? Or are you using IOWA due to
> it's templating engine? Wee is much more like the current Seaside by Avi
> Bryant, but not a plain port thereof.

Well, Iowa is production quality, and I needed something right away.
It's quite convenient to work with (after the first date, which would
have turned out quite awkward, had I not found a chapter about it in
a book co-authored by some chap calling himself Stefan Schmiedl).
Together with Kansas, it fits my current needs quite good.

> It's still in development,
> currently I'm mostly on documenting it:

> http://www.ntecs.de/viewcvs/viewcvs/*checkout*/Wee/branches/dev/doc/r...

Documentation is a Good Thing. I knew about your efforts on Wee (Armin
has mentioned it on our blog somewhere), but I don't have as much
playtime now as I would like to have.

> And someone mentioned that he's porting Mewa
> (http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/files/mewa.pdf) over to Ruby/Wee.

> I'm currently further on extracting and cleaning up the core of Wee,
> which is independent of HTTP and HTML, and includes only the component
> logic (the session logic is pretty minimal). Templating is 100%
> choosable, but it comes with a programmatical HTML generation API.
> Lot's of parts of the source is now very clean, and all together it's
> 1600 LoC (600 for the core where near to 50% is documention)... And all
> memory holes have been fixed.

Looks very promising, Michael. I do hope that business will calm down
a little over the holidays, so that I can catchup on my backlog, after
which I could let it build up again by checking out Wee :-)

s.


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Michael Neumann  
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 More options Dec 10 2004, 8:58 am
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From: Michael Neumann <mneum...@ntecs.de>
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 22:58:30 +0900
Local: Fri, Dec 10 2004 8:58 am
Subject: Re: [ADV] Want to Write a Book?

Stefan Schmiedl wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 21:24:41 +0900,
> Michael Neumann <mneum...@ntecs.de> wrote:

>>Stefan, did you have taken a look at Wee? Or are you using IOWA due to
>>it's templating engine? Wee is much more like the current Seaside by Avi
>>Bryant, but not a plain port thereof.

> Well, Iowa is production quality, and I needed something right away.
> It's quite convenient to work with (after the first date, which would
> have turned out quite awkward, had I not found a chapter about it in
> a book co-authored by some chap calling himself Stefan Schmiedl).
> Together with Kansas, it fits my current needs quite good.

Sure, Wee is some steps away from production quality, just because
important parts have to be reworked (Session, Application classes, which
are not in the core ;-)). Nevertheless, those are only a few hundred
lines of code...

BTW, would be nice to hear why you did choose IOWA and not Rails. Simply
because you did not tried it, or for some other reasons... I'm just
curious ;-)