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muldoon  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 2:27 pm
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From: "muldoon" <brian9...@dslextreme.com>
Date: 28 Jun 2005 11:27:40 -0700
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 2:27 pm
Subject: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to
represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
"American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

Be blunt. We Americans need to know. Should we try to change the way we
speak? Are there certain words that sound particularly goofy? Please
help us with your advice on this awkward matter.


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BJ in Texas  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 2:31 pm
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From: "BJ in Texas" <bjte...@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:31:03 GMT
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 2:31 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
muldoon <brian9...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

|| Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of
|| sophistication and high intelligence. Many companies hire
|| salespersons from Britain to represent their products,etc.
|| Question: When the British hear an "American accent," does it
|| sound unsophisticated and dumb?
||
|| Be blunt. We Americans need to know. Should we try to change
|| the way we speak? Are there certain words that sound
|| particularly goofy? Please help us with your advice on this
|| awkward matter.

Which of the British accents?

BJ


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Grant Edwards  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 3:23 pm
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From: Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:23:11 -0000
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 3:23 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
On 2005-06-28, muldoon <brian9...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
> and high intelligence.

That depends on the accent.  I believe that's probably true for
the educated south of England, BBC, received pronunciation.  I
don't think that's true for some of the other dialects from
northern areas (e.g. Liverpool) or the "cockney" accent.

> Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to represent
> their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
> "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

I too have always wondered about this.

> Be blunt. We Americans need to know. Should we try to change
> the way we speak? Are there certain words that sound
> particularly goofy? Please help us with your advice on this
> awkward matter.

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Michael Hoffman  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:06 pm
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From: Michael Hoffman <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:06:37 +0100
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:06 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

muldoon wrote:
> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
> and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to
> represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
> "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

> Be blunt. We Americans need to know.

To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. Surely
selecting the right forum to use indicates more sophistication and high
intelligence than the way one speaks. ;-)
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Grant Edwards  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:18 pm
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From: Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:18:06 -0000
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:18 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
On 2005-06-28, Michael Hoffman <cam.ac...@mh391.invalid> wrote:

> muldoon wrote:
>> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
>> and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to
>> represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
>> "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

>> Be blunt. We Americans need to know.

> To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python.

Monty Python was mostly Brits?

> Surely selecting the right forum to use indicates more
> sophistication and high intelligence than the way one speaks.
> ;-)

Well, there is that...

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Jarek Zgoda  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:23 pm
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From: Jarek Zgoda <jzg...@gazeta.usun.pl>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 22:23:45 +0200
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
Grant Edwards napisał(a):

>>To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python.

> Monty Python was mostly Brits?

Wasn't they all Brits?

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Grant Edwards  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:25 pm
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From: Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:25:47 -0000
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
On 2005-06-28, Jarek Zgoda <jzg...@gazeta.usun.pl> wrote:

> Grant Edwards napisał(a):

>>>To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python.

>> Monty Python was mostly Brits?

> Wasn't they all Brits?

Nope.  Terry Gilliam was from Minneapolis.

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muldoon  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:24 pm
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From: "muldoon" <brian9...@dslextreme.com>
Date: 28 Jun 2005 13:24:42 -0700
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

Michael Hoffman wrote:
> muldoon wrote:
> > Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
> > and high intelligence. Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to
> > represent their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
> > "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

> > Be blunt. We Americans need to know.

> To be blunt, I have no idea what this has to do with Python. Surely
> selecting the right forum to use indicates more sophistication and high
> intelligence than the way one speaks. ;-)
> --
> Michael Hoffman

   This is from California, not far from where they did the old atomic
bomb tests. Be tolerant. Mutation you know.

   Now, what forum would you recommend? Any help would be appreciated.


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Devan L  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:24 pm
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From: "Devan L" <dev...@gmail.com>
Date: 28 Jun 2005 13:24:38 -0700
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Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
Thats like posting about Google here because the newsgroup is hosted on
Google.

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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:29 pm
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From: Robert Kern <rk...@ucsd.edu>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 13:29:35 -0700
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Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...

muldoon wrote:
>    Now, what forum would you recommend? Any help would be appreciated.

Not here. Beyond that, you're on your own.

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Grant Edwards  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:30 pm
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From: Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:30:35 -0000
Local: Tues, Jun 28 2005 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
On 2005-06-28, Devan L <dev...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thats like posting about Google here because the newsgroup is hosted on
> Google.

Except the newsgroup isn't "hosted on Google", and it's far
less interesting than Monty Python.

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Mike Holmans  
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 More options Jun 28 2005, 4:52 pm
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From: Mike Holmans <m...@jackalope.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 21:52:09 +0100
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Subject: Re: When someone from Britain speaks, Americans hear a "British accent"...
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 19:23:11 -0000, Grant Edwards <gra...@visi.com>
tapped the keyboard and brought forth:

>On 2005-06-28, muldoon <brian9...@dslextreme.com> wrote:

>> Americans consider having a "British accent" a sign of sophistication
>> and high intelligence.

>That depends on the accent.  I believe that's probably true for
>the educated south of England, BBC, received pronunciation.  I
>don't think that's true for some of the other dialects from
>northern areas (e.g. Liverpool) or the "cockney" accent.

>> Many companies hire salespersons from Britain to represent
>> their products,etc. Question: When the British hear an
>> "American accent," does it sound unsophisticated and dumb?

>I too have always wondered about this.

Since you've acknowledged that it's only the RP accent which gets that
respect in the US (and since I speak it, I rather enjoy my visits
across the pond) and others are either cute or obvious hicks, it
shouldn't be a surprise that the same applies to the wide range of
accents used by Americans.

The strong Appalachian accent of the guide who took us round some
caves in WV last year was the epitome of unsophistication - although
what he said was extremely informative and delved into some advanced
science.

My wife's an Okie, but she speaks the US equivalent of RP - the one
used by newsreaders on the main terrestrial TV networks and which is
commonly thought to be used mostly in Ohio and other places just south
of the Great Lakes. If there's such a thing as a standard "American
accent", that's it. It neither sounds dumb nor clever - just American.

Some of those sonorous slow talkers from the South, and majestic bass
African-Americans like James Earl Jones or Morgan Freeman, have far
more gravitas than any English accent can: to us, such people sound
monumental.

But most of the obviously regional accents in the US sound cute or
picturesque, while the ones Americans tend to regard as hick accents
just sound comical.

The problem which a lot of fairly-midstream American accent users face
is that it's the same sort of thing which Brits try and imitate when
they want to suggest a snake-oil salesman. At bottom, an American
accent doesn't mark someone out to a Brit as dumb or unsophisticated,
but the immediate suspicion generated is that they're a phony and
likely to be saying stuff without much regard for its accuracy.

Cheers,

Mike


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