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Sashank Varma  
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 More options Jun 24 2005, 1:32 am
Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
From: "Sashank Varma" <sashankva...@yahoo.com>
Date: 23 Jun 2005 22:32:46 -0700
Local: Fri, Jun 24 2005 1:32 am
Subject: Re: ILC2005: McCarthy denounces Common Lisp, "Lisp", XML, and Rahul

Peter Seibel wrote:
> However McCarthy appeared to have
> heard him to say that he did care about having code from 20 years ago
> that ran today and said that based on Rahul's appearance, it didn't
> seem that he could have any code from 20 years ago that he'd need to
> run today, i.e. Rahul is too young. A slight dig, perhaps but not
> actually an insult.

This is how I interpreted it as well.

The more general question -- Did standardization produce
stultification? -- is quite provocative though. Really, there are two
questions here:

(1) Has progress in Lisp slowed dramatically since CLtL1? (And this is
really what Baker and McCarthy meant by standardization -- the
ascension of Common Lisp.)

(2) Did CLtL1 *cause* this slowdown?

IMO, the answer to (1) is "yes" and the answer to (2) is "no." The
*real* reason progress slowed -- again, IMO -- was the dramatic drop in
both interest in and funding for Lisp following AI Winter, which began
around........1984. If this is correct, then standardization was
probably critical in keeping the dwindling community together.

This brings up an interesting question: Is the binding constraint of
the standard, which was critical during the 1980s and 1990s, gonna
choke the community now that it is again showing signs of growth?

It's a real question. One possibility is that as the community grows,
so will a parallel movement to open, clean up, modify, and extend the
standard. A harbinger of this is the CLRFI process, which is currently
trying to bootstrap itself. Another possibility is that the community
will split in a healthy way, with business users adhering closely to
the standard in the interests of portability, and with academics again
experimenting with new features and birthing new dialects.

Sashank


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