I am looking for work and hoping to continue my streak with Lisp job #4. Are there any resources out there I am not aware of?
I have explored and continue to explore: Flipdog.com Dice.com Franz.com/careers A hundred other general job sites (are there any other particularily good ones?)
I have applications in process with ITA and Dotcast. MDL is not looking anymore. Anyone know another company besides these that is looking?
> I am looking for work and hoping to continue my streak with Lisp job #4. > Are there any resources out there I am not aware of?
> I have explored and continue to explore: > Flipdog.com > Dice.com > Franz.com/careers > Any good resources I have missed? I will consider relocation globally. > http://resumes.dice.com/cobybeck
Well, yes, and I have one good tidbut of info to give you. But first I need to recount a little story why I happen to know that tidbit.
Once long ago the marketing department at a certain unnamed company I happen to work for arranged to have me assigned a little project. I was to write a web spider that would screen scrape Lisp-related job listings so that company's web site could have a centralized repository of current jobs that would be useful to the community. We didn't intend to short-circuit the several job-listing sites on the internet -- we only intended to put all the lisp jobs in one place that would link to the various listings on the major job sites.
The thing was a bit tedious to code since destructuring html into useful information more than tedious, and significant changes to the scraped web sites could break the scraping algorithms. Still, it worked, and the problem was interesting in a number of ways. One of the more interesting issues was evaluating the relevance of any particular job listing. It is easy on any of the major job search engines to search for "lisp" in job descriptions, but that leads to lots of trash: Many descriptions include lisp in a shopping list of exotic background technologies, but there is really no lisp involvement in the position. There are also a lot of Autolisp and CAD jobs which are probably uninteresting to the CL community. Eventually I came up with a heuristic that assigned a numeric relevance ranking that correlated reasonably well with my own intuitive ranking of the listings. It is also the first time in 15 years of CL programming that I have needed a function like tanh.
Anyway, the thing eventually worked, producing a web page that would be a boon to seekers of lisp jobs (but not providing anything they couldn't get by themselves by spending 15 minutes visiting the same job search sites themselves). I delivered this tool to said marketing department. That was about 18 months ago. So far it hasn't appeared, although I am reliably informed that they still intend to put it into production, someday.
So, finally, here's the nugget of information. Of all the major jobs sites that I scanned in this project, by far the most productive was monster.com. I don't know why, but they seemed always to have a larger number of "interesting" Lisp jobs than the competitors. It is true that a year or two ago there were more jobs than now, but I believe this is more due to general economic conditions than the relevance of Lisp.
The sites you mentioned are ok (I use them, too), but I have found that long before companies resort to, e.g. Dice, they look via word-of-mouth, and then locally, and *then* through a local headhunter, and *then* Dice and *then* through a headhunter that finally gives up and puts the same ad on Dice a year later. It's pathetic to see this happen, but I did with MDL and DotCast and so on.
Anyway, I sometimes use google to search for "Employment Opportunities Lisp". Here's why. When the shops are first going to a public job posting, they put in on their own website to hopefully attract people who are interested in that particular company anyway, and who are probably aware of them by being a local candidate. That way they (naively) hope to find a local candidate who already wants to work there.
Those internal URLs are often labeled "Employment Opportunities" or "Careers" or similarly. It also helps screen out the generic websites.
It's still a crapshoot and requires tinkering with the search strings, but it does (sometimes) get you one step deeper into the pile.
Eric Moss <ericm...@alltel.net> writes: > The sites you mentioned are ok (I use them, too), but I have found that > long before companies resort to, e.g. Dice, they look via word-of-mouth, > and then locally, and *then* through a local headhunter, and *then* Dice > and *then* through a headhunter that finally gives up and puts the same > ad on Dice a year later. It's pathetic to see this happen, but I did > with MDL and DotCast and so on.
If any employer is reading this I'd recommend posting to c.l.l as a straightforward and inexpensive recruitment method.
I've done this on a number of occassions and had success each time - 5 of the 6 developers we've recruited in the past three years came via this route.
>sites that I scanned in this project, by far the most productive >was monster.com. I don't know why, but they seemed always to have a >larger number of "interesting" Lisp jobs than the competitors. It is >true that a year or two ago there were more jobs than now, but I >believe this is more due to general economic conditions than the >relevance of Lisp.
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