In article <4fj6ub$...@a3bsrv.nai.net>, jkl...@nai.net (Tiernan) writes:
> yu145...@yorku.ca (Vandale*&*) verily did say unto All:
>>In article <DMC7Gy....@freenet.carleton.ca>, be...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Cliff Goodman) says:
>>> (jk0...@acad.drake.edu) writes:
>>>>       What, if any, is the traditional relationship between
>>>> the vampyr and elves? Is it benevolent, malevolent, indifferent, or is there
>>>> any relatioship at all in the mythologies?
>>>>       [snipples]
>>>>                               John

>>>Good darned question!
>>>Well, historically, I am told that vampyres have often been seen as
>>>members of the Unseelie court involved in preying on humans and certain
>>>other folk. Thus some fae have allied with vampyres... some have hunted
>>>them. Depends on the individuals in question.

>>It was always my understanding that the faeriekind and the vampyres
>>were actually of the same ilk (different branches of the family tree).
>>I know plenty of faeriekinds who prey on humans...

> Traditionally, the Wild Hunt is also affiliated with the Seelie Courts
> although there is the odd Unseelie Hunter.  One is a Hunter within
> one's spirit, not one's court affiliations.  There was a time, to be
> honest, when I and my kind would have hunted true vamps did we find
> them...which I must admit, if I do know any they have not outed
> themselves to me, and I never pry.   But in modern times the old court
> affiliations are becoming blurred.  Personally, I do not hunt vamps
> and I consider them friends and Otherkin as well, Otherkin being the
> general term by which fae folke refer to themselves.

>>>Vampyres quickly learned NOT to sup on most otherkin. Fae blood can do
>>>really nasty things to a vampyre, and fae energies... particularly
>>>glamour, can mess up a psyvamp like you wouldn't believe. This is not
>>>always true, but is generally the norm.

>>Actually, Dreamers, who are half-mortal, are very sought-after by the
>>original purebloods.  And we are ill-equipped to fight 'em off.

> *smile* Imagine a psivamp fool enough to leech an elf.  Vandale, one
> day dearest we shall have to teach you trapshields.

>>>These days... we get along. We're few and far between and there's safety
>>>and comfort in numbers (regardless of how the vampyres value their
>>>solitude and claim they need no one... there is still some value to this
>>>point of view).

>>Yes, the Vampyre and the Faerie are cousin and sibling both.

> *nods*

>>>I think it's still on a person by person basis, only more so. There is, at
>>>the least, tolerance and acceptance of each other by both societies.
>>>Recognition. Acknowledgement of honour and worth. And both groups have
>>>their... "monsters".

>>>Me, I think most of 'em are fun to be around.
>>>Entertaining sorts.

>>You said it, elvish one.  If little else, vampies and otherkind have
>>their extreme eccentricity in common. ;)

> I think what I find resonates with me about vampyres is the cheerful
> darkness, if that makes sense.  A lot of people both magickal and
> mundane assume walking a dark path mean you must be evil, or sombre,
> or both.  It doesn't, and the vampyres understand that the darker
> paths are simply other expressions of the nature of intelligent living
> beings.

> Too, some things are considered *dark* today that were not always
> considered dark.  Death, for example, as an object of humor.  In our
> society a morbid sense of humor is looked upon with suspicion because
> we fear death.  But there was a time when death was accepted as
> casually as taxes are today, and considered a part of the Wheel.

>>>But that's just me.
>>>Th' Elf

>>You and your Dreamer, elvish one.
>>-little o (aka Van*&*)

> Tiernan

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