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Subject: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
                  LOYALISTS &/OR PATRIOTS:
       the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
The 1776 Rebellion of thirteen British colonies in North America,
called the American Revolutionary War, may be equated with the Bible
story of "Jehoboam's Rebellion" [representing the rebellious American
colonists in this analogy] against King Solomon’s son Rehoboam
[representing King George III of Britain in this analogy], which split-
up the Hebrew kingdom [representing Britain, the "mother-country", or
the worldwide British Empire in this analogy], hence, from the Bible
point of view, the American "patriots" were the "bad guys", and the
American "loyalists" were the "good guys", which is a valid
alternative concept of a way of looking at the "4th of July", 1776,
"Declaration of Independence".
        Every year on the 4th of July America celebrates the 1776 Rebellion
against the British Crown. The editorials which appear in this
country’s newspapers on that date every year must bewilder all
American loyalists how the so-called American patriots were so
thoroughly blinded by the deceptive propaganda Satan disseminates.
Instead, the "4th of July" should be a celebration of a reconciliation
with the British Crown to right the wrong done by the unruly, godless
1776 generation of American colonists.
         Why should we give allegiance to the U.S. government which was
created out of a revolution? For, from the Bible we know that the Arch-
Angel Lucifer led the first rebellion, and has been the instigator of
all rebellions since, including the three rebellions against the
British Crown: the 1642-1649 Rebellion, the 1688-1689 Rebellion, and
the 1776-1783 Rebellion. It is a fitting question to consider; due to
the seriousness of the question.
        The "Consent Theory", which America's so-called "founding fathers"
used to justify their rebellion, says that everyone consented to abide
by the U.S. Constitution that created the present government that sits
today in Washington, D.C., which provided for a democratic state.
Though it was not meant to be, but democracy has turned out to be the
tyranny of the majority over minorities. The whole concept of
democracy is the devil's doctrine, and may very well prove to be
Satan's great "end time" lie. The present government that sits today
in Washington, D.C. tells us that we today, that is, our contemporary
generation, are bound to the acts, decisions, and works of a godless
generation of American colonists who rebelled against their sovereign-
lord King George III, the "Lord's Anointed" (so-called); however, how
does each new generation grant its consent to be governed by the laws
of a state they did not create? The basis of the "Consent Theory" is
that everyone is free and therefore must individually grant his or her
consent to be governed, or otherwise remain an "outlaw", i.e.,
"outside the community's protection", which has been the case ever
since Adam ate the apple. The story is well-known that God had told
Adam and Eve that they could do anything they wanted to do in the
"Garden of Eden" except one thing, to eat of the fruit of the "Tree of
the Knowledge of Good and Evil". As long as they refrained from doing
so, the "Supreme-Being", God, as the creator of all things, was their
master, but, when Adam and Eve disobeyed and did "that one thing" they
made themselves their own masters. For the essence of their sin was
the transference of the control of their lives from God to themselves.
Here, the human-race expressed its autonomy and independence of God’s
rule. Here, is the origin of "democracy" and "human rights"! Here, the
"divine monarchy" of God on earth was replaced by a "republic" or
"government of the people". The climax of man’s rejection of God’s
rule, doubtless, was when Pilate presented Jesus to "the people" as
their king, to which "the people" [i.e., first century Jews]
responded, saying: "we will not have this man to reign over us" (Lk
19:14b), which reminds one of the "Declaration of Independence" (1776)
which says of America’s king [George III]: "we will not have this man
to reign over us" [paraphrase].  Now, can anyone see a correlation
here when you compare that phrase in the "Declaration of Independence"
to the verse in the Bible that has the same words?  Well, do not
dismiss it out of mind but consider its ramifications morally,
religiously, and legally.
        To be sure, the future government of Messiah on Earth, and Heaven
too, is a "monarchy", not a "republic"! In the Bible there is
reference to the Throne of God which indicates that in Heaven there is
a situation of absolute monarchy; can we extend this to a suggestion
that earth should mirror Heaven constitutionally? Heaven may be an
absolute monarchy, but, due to the fact that ever since Adam ate the
apple the human-race has been in a fallen state, thus, the
corruptibility of human individuals. This would not be a realistic
option for good governance, hence the checks and balances referred to
in the Bible that God put on the ancient Hebrew kings, which also
applies to the modern British monarchs. The republic which replaced
royal-government in America has a mandate "from the people", which
validity is questionable and open to debate, however, the monarchy the
1776 generation of American colonists renounced its allegiance to, the
British Monarchy, has a "divine" mandate from God to rule, as
illustrated in its "origin-story", that is, the story of "The Sword In
The Stone", when a 15-year old squire, named Arthur, pulled the sword
"Excalibur" from "Vulcan’s Anvil", in AD495, which fulfilled the
"vision" and/or prophecy of St. Bryce, as well as the instructions
given by Pope Gelasius in his "Epistle to The Britons" to let God
decide, which he sent to the Britons in response to a letter the
Britons [gathered in a national convention during a vacancy of the
throne] had wrote and sent to him by an embassy asking him [the pope]
to make them a king. The episode was determined a miracle by the
British people, and, interpreted as a sign that God had chosen the
young lad [Arthur] to be the king giving him and his successors, the
British royal-line, a divine commission to produce the shepherds
[kings] for His [God’s] flock [sheep] in the British Isles and its
overseas colonies, which once included America until the 1776
rebellion. This commission is still valid and will remain so until the
"Second Coming" of Jesus, The "Christ", that is, when "Messiah"
establishes the direct rule of God in person on earth incarnate in
Jesus, the future "world-king", who forever lives, and whose "kingdom"
will be an eternal absolute monarchy and theocratic state, and the
human experiment of "democracy" will prove a failure and disappear
forever from the experience of the human race.  Meantime, the British
royal-line reigns "by the Grace of God", not "by the will of the
people", representing God’s rule, not man’s rule, while America,
rejecting the theocratic right of the Creator to choose the country's
rulers, elects its own rulers, the presidents, whom govern by a
"mandate from the people", which is a devilish concept from the Bible
standpoint, for who can give one man the right to rule over another
man, surely not a constitution written by a "congress" of men, nor
laws enacted by a "congress" of men who have no authority to do so,
for only God can give that right. Yea, people make presidents,
however, God makes kings. It appears that man in his rebellion against
God thinks he can exist apart from his Creator. Indeed, America, from
1776, has been a country in rebellion against its divinely ordained
sovereign, remembering that the British royal-house descends from King
Arthur [through the Tudors], and descends [through the Stuarts] from
Christianity's "Holy Family", that is, the "Family of Jesus", the
"Jesus Dynasty", or more precisely from St. James, one of the so-
called "brothers" of Jesus. And, on some early royal genealogical
charts The "Virgin" Mary appears as the ancestress of the British
Royal House (2nd-6th Cent. AD), via Saint James, one of the so-called
"brothers" of Jesus! The 1776 Rebellion was not only against the Royal
Family but also against their ancestors, the Holy Family. How can a
Christian people rebel against the descendants of Christianity's Holy
Family? The Hollywood movie "1776", unsatisfactorily explains the
reasons for breaking-ties with the mother-country though
entertaining.
        The phrase [in the 1776 "Independence Declaration"] "the inalienable
rights the Creator gave to man", that is, "human-rights", is a very
appealing idea, however, the truth of the matter is the whole idea of
"human rights" is a fantasy, for Jesus says "we are not our own, for
we are bought with a price" (1 Cor 6:19b-20a), that is, His
"Sacrifice", hence, we "the people" actually have no rights. And, even
if King George The Third was an ungodly king, though for the 1776
generation in America to question his authority was in essence to
question God’s purpose. He had a "mandate" from the Creator, called
"divine-right", therefore, the 1776 generation of American colonists
should have obeyed him in all things!
        Is it possible to convince reasonable people that authority based on
a fantasy has any right to exist, much less one to govern? In the
first national convention the 1776 generation of America severed its
allegiance to the British Crown. That convention initially wanted to
crown George Washington as "King of America"; and, when he refused the
office, it was offered to the British Jacobite Heir, "Bonnie Prince
Charlie", who was invited to establish a rival royal court in America,
then, only after he declined the offer that the convention adopted a
republic as this country’s form of government under the "Articles of
Confederation", which provided for a confederate state. The present
U.S. "Constitution" that we have today however came out of a second
national convention, which provides for a federal republic and an
oligarchic ...

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From: "corbyguy" <corby...@ntlworld.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:03:59 +0100
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 2:03 pm
Subject: Re: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
More nuts here then a chocolate nut bar.

<fifth_columnist_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:9046b08b-f2b5-4427-a2de-78c2c7d044a4@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com...
          LOYALISTS &/OR PATRIOTS:
       the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
The 1776 Rebellion of thirteen British colonies in North America,
called the American Revolutionary War, may be equated with the Bible
story of "Jehoboam's Rebellion" [representing the rebellious American
colonists in this analogy] against King Solomon’s son Rehoboam
[representing King George III of Britain in this analogy], which split-
up the Hebrew kingdom [representing Britain, the "mother-country", or
the worldwide British Empire in this analogy], hence, from the Bible
point of view, the American "patriots" were the "bad guys", and the
American "loyalists" were the "good guys", which is a valid
alternative concept of a way of looking at the "4th of July", 1776,
"Declaration of Independence".
Every year on the 4th of July America celebrates the 1776 Rebellion
against the British Crown. The editorials which appear in this
country’s newspapers on that date every year must bewilder all
American loyalists how the so-called American patriots were so
thoroughly blinded by the deceptive propaganda Satan disseminates.
Instead, the "4th of July" should be a celebration of a reconciliation
with the British Crown to right the wrong done by the unruly, godless
1776 generation of American colonists.
Why should we give allegiance to the U.S. government which was
created out of a revolution? For, from the Bible we know that the Arch-
Angel Lucifer led the first rebellion, and has been the instigator of
all rebellions since, including the three rebellions against the
British Crown: the 1642-1649 Rebellion, the 1688-1689 Rebellion, and
the 1776-1783 Rebellion. It is a fitting question to consider; due to
the seriousness of the question.
The "Consent Theory", which America's so-called "founding fathers"
used to justify their rebellion, says that everyone consented to abide
by the U.S. Constitution that created the present government that sits
today in Washington, D.C., which provided for a democratic state.
Though it was not meant to be, but democracy has turned out to be the
tyranny of the majority over minorities. The whole concept of
democracy is the devil's doctrine, and may very well prove to be
Satan's great "end time" lie. The present government that sits today
in Washington, D.C. tells us that we today, that is, our contemporary
generation, are bound to the acts, decisions, and works of a godless
generation of American colonists who rebelled against their sovereign-
lord King George III, the "Lord's Anointed" (so-called); however, how
does each new generation grant its consent to be governed by the laws
of a state they did not create? The basis of the "Consent Theory" is
that everyone is free and therefore must individually grant his or her
consent to be governed, or otherwise remain an "outlaw", i.e.,
"outside the community's protection", which has been the case ever
since Adam ate the apple. The story is well-known that God had told
Adam and Eve that they could do anything they wanted to do in the
"Garden of Eden" except one thing, to eat of the fruit of the "Tree of
the Knowledge of Good and Evil". As long as they refrained from doing
so, the "Supreme-Being", God, as the creator of all things, was their
master, but, when Adam and Eve disobeyed and did "that one thing" they
made themselves their own masters. For the essence of their sin was
the transference of the control of their lives from God to themselves.
Here, the human-race expressed its autonomy and independence of God’s
rule. Here, is the origin of "democracy" and "human rights"! Here, the
"divine monarchy" of God on earth was replaced by a "republic" or
"government of the people". The climax of man’s rejection of God’s
rule, doubtless, was when Pilate presented Jesus to "the people" as
their king, to which "the people" [i.e., first century Jews]
responded, saying: "we will not have this man to reign over us" (Lk
19:14b), which reminds one of the "Declaration of Independence" (1776)
which says of America’s king [George III]: "we will not have this man
to reign over us" [paraphrase].  Now, can anyone see a correlation
here when you compare that phrase in the "Declaration of Independence"
to the verse in the Bible that has the same words?  Well, do not
dismiss it out of mind but consider its ramifications morally,
religiously, and legally.
To be sure, the future government of Messiah on Earth, and Heaven
too, is a "monarchy", not a "republic"! In the Bible there is
reference to the Throne of God which indicates that in Heaven there is
a situation of absolute monarchy; can we extend this to a suggestion
that earth should mirror Heaven constitutionally? Heaven may be an
absolute monarchy, but, due to the fact that ever since Adam ate the
apple the human-race has been in a fallen state, thus, the
corruptibility of human individuals. This would not be a realistic
option for good governance, hence the checks and balances referred to
in the Bible that God put on the ancient Hebrew kings, which also
applies to the modern British monarchs. The republic which replaced
royal-government in America has a mandate "from the people", which
validity is questionable and open to debate, however, the monarchy the
1776 generation of American colonists renounced its allegiance to, the
British Monarchy, has a "divine" mandate from God to rule, as
illustrated in its "origin-story", that is, the story of "The Sword In
The Stone", when a 15-year old squire, named Arthur, pulled the sword
"Excalibur" from "Vulcan’s Anvil", in AD495, which fulfilled the
"vision" and/or prophecy of St. Bryce, as well as the instructions
given by Pope Gelasius in his "Epistle to The Britons" to let God
decide, which he sent to the Britons in response to a letter the
Britons [gathered in a national convention during a vacancy of the
throne] had wrote and sent to him by an embassy asking him [the pope]
to make them a king. The episode was determined a miracle by the
British people, and, interpreted as a sign that God had chosen the
young lad [Arthur] to be the king giving him and his successors, the
British royal-line, a divine commission to produce the shepherds
[kings] for His [God’s] flock [sheep] in the British Isles and its
overseas colonies, which once included America until the 1776
rebellion. This commission is still valid and will remain so until the
"Second Coming" of Jesus, The "Christ", that is, when "Messiah"
establishes the direct rule of God in person on earth incarnate in
Jesus, the future "world-king", who forever lives, and whose "kingdom"
will be an eternal absolute monarchy and theocratic state, and the
human experiment of "democracy" will prove a failure and disappear
forever from the experience of the human race.  Meantime, the British
royal-line reigns "by the Grace of God", not "by the will of the
people", representing God’s rule, not man’s rule, while America,
rejecting the theocratic right of the Creator to choose the country's
rulers, elects its own rulers, the presidents, whom govern by a
"mandate from the people", which is a devilish concept from the Bible
standpoint, for who can give one man the right to rule over another
man, surely not a constitution written by a "congress" of men, nor
laws enacted by a "congress" of men who have no authority to do so,
for only God can give that right. Yea, people make presidents,
however, God makes kings. It appears that man in his rebellion against
God thinks he can exist apart from his Creator. Indeed, America, from
1776, has been a country in rebellion against its divinely ordained
sovereign, remembering that the British royal-house descends from King
Arthur [through the Tudors], and descends [through the Stuarts] from
Christianity's "Holy Family", that is, the "Family of Jesus", the
"Jesus Dynasty", or more precisely from St. James, one of the so-
called "brothers" of Jesus. And, on some early royal genealogical
charts The "Virgin" Mary appears as the ancestress of the British
Royal House (2nd-6th Cent. AD), via Saint James, one of the so-called
"brothers" of Jesus! The 1776 Rebellion was not only against the Royal
Family but also against their ancestors, the Holy Family. How can a
Christian people rebel against the descendants of Christianity's Holy
Family? The Hollywood movie "1776", unsatisfactorily explains the
reasons for breaking-ties with the mother-country though
entertaining.
The phrase [in the 1776 "Independence Declaration"] "the inalienable
rights the Creator gave to man", that is, "human-rights", is a very
appealing idea, however, the truth of the matter is the whole idea of
"human rights" is a fantasy, for Jesus says "we are not our own, for
we are bought with a price" (1 Cor 6:19b-20a), that is, His
"Sacrifice", hence, we "the people" actually have no rights. And, even
if King George The Third was an ungodly king, though for the 1776
generation in America to question his authority was in essence to
question God’s purpose. He had a "mandate" from the Creator, called
"divine-right", therefore, the 1776 generation of American colonists
should have obeyed him in all things!
Is it possible to convince reasonable people that authority based on
a fantasy has any right to exist, much less one to govern? In the
first national convention the 1776 generation of America severed its
allegiance to the British Crown. That convention initially wanted to
crown George Washington as "King of America"; and, when he refused the
office, it was offered to the British Jacobite Heir, "Bonnie Prince
Charlie", who was invited to establish a rival royal court in America,
then, only after he declined the offer that the convention adopted a
republic as this country’s form of government under the "Articles of
Confederation", which provided for a confederate ...

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From: Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm>
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 18:25:58 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jul 3 2008 6:25 pm
Subject: Re: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:03:59 +0100 from corbyguy <corby...@ntlworld.com>:

> More nuts here then a chocolate nut bar.

So why give it extra publicity?

[almost 200 lines of drivel, snipped]

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From: Dom <DR...@teikyopost.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:56:33 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Mon, Jul 7 2008 8:56 am
Subject: Re: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
On Jul 3, 6:25 pm, Stan Brown <the_stan_br...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:03:59 +0100 from corbyguy <corby...@ntlworld.com>:

> > More nuts here then a chocolate nut bar.

> So why give it extra publicity?

As I pointed out 8 years ago, there are truly fascinating parallels
between the Declarations against James II, which are now available at:

http://www.jacobite.ca/documents/16890213.htm and at
http://www.jacobite.ca/documents/16890411.htm

and the charges against George III contained in the Declaration of
American Independence. At the time, a member of this NG pointed out
that plagiarism was a common practice in 1776, and it did not carry
today's stigma.


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From: Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:31:25 -0500
Local: Sat, Jul 19 2008 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
fifth_columnist_2...@yahoo.com wrote:

:                  LOYALISTS &/OR PATRIOTS:
:       the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
: The 1776 Rebellion of thirteen British colonies in North America,
: called the American Revolutionary War, may be equated with the Bible
: story of "Jehoboam's Rebellion" [representing the rebellious American
: colonists in this analogy] against King Solomon?s son Rehoboam
: [representing King George III of Britain in this analogy], which split-
: up the Hebrew kingdom [representing Britain, the "mother-country", or
: the worldwide British Empire in this analogy], hence, from the Bible
: point of view, the American "patriots" were the "bad guys", and the
: American "loyalists" were the "good guys", which is a valid
: alternative concept of a way of looking at the "4th of July", 1776,
: "Declaration of Independence".
:        Every year on the 4th of July America celebrates the 1776 Rebellion
: against the British Crown. The editorials which appear in this
: country?s newspapers on that date every year must bewilder all
: American loyalists how the so-called American patriots were so
: thoroughly blinded by the deceptive propaganda Satan disseminates.
: Instead, the "4th of July" should be a celebration of a reconciliation
: with the British Crown to right the wrong done by the unruly, godless
: 1776 generation of American colonists.
:         Why should we give allegiance to the U.S. government which was
: created out of a revolution? For, from the Bible we know that the Arch-
: Angel Lucifer led the first rebellion, and has been the instigator of
: all rebellions since, including the three rebellions against the
: British Crown: the 1642-1649 Rebellion, the 1688-1689 Rebellion, and
: the 1776-1783 Rebellion. It is a fitting question to consider; due to
: the seriousness of the question.
:        The "Consent Theory", which America's so-called "founding fathers"
: used to justify their rebellion, says that everyone consented to abide
: by the U.S. Constitution that created the present government that sits
: today in Washington, D.C., which provided for a democratic state.
: Though it was not meant to be, but democracy has turned out to be the
: tyranny of the majority over minorities. The whole concept of
: democracy is the devil's doctrine, and may very well prove to be
: Satan's great "end time" lie. The present government that sits today
: in Washington, D.C. tells us that we today, that is, our contemporary
: generation, are bound to the acts, decisions, and works of a godless
: generation of American colonists who rebelled against their sovereign-
: lord King George III, the "Lord's Anointed" (so-called); however, how
: does each new generation grant its consent to be governed by the laws
: of a state they did not create? The basis of the "Consent Theory" is
: that everyone is free and therefore must individually grant his or her
: consent to be governed, or otherwise remain an "outlaw", i.e.,
: "outside the community's protection", which has been the case ever
: since Adam ate the apple. The story is well-known that God had told
: Adam and Eve that they could do anything they wanted to do in the
: "Garden of Eden" except one thing, to eat of the fruit of the "Tree of
: the Knowledge of Good and Evil". As long as they refrained from doing
: so, the "Supreme-Being", God, as the creator of all things, was their
: master, but, when Adam and Eve disobeyed and did "that one thing" they
: made themselves their own masters. For the essence of their sin was
: the transference of the control of their lives from God to themselves.
: Here, the human-race expressed its autonomy and independence of God?s
: rule. Here, is the origin of "democracy" and "human rights"! Here, the
: "divine monarchy" of God on earth was replaced by a "republic" or
: "government of the people". The climax of man?s rejection of God?s
: rule, doubtless, was when Pilate presented Jesus to "the people" as
: their king, to which "the people" [i.e., first century Jews]
: responded, saying: "we will not have this man to reign over us" (Lk
: 19:14b), which reminds one of the "Declaration of Independence" (1776)
: which says of America?s king [George III]: "we will not have this man
: to reign over us" [paraphrase].  Now, can anyone see a correlation
: here when you compare that phrase in the "Declaration of Independence"
: to the verse in the Bible that has the same words?  Well, do not
: dismiss it out of mind but consider its ramifications morally,
: religiously, and legally.
:        To be sure, the future government of Messiah on Earth, and Heaven
: too, is a "monarchy", not a "republic"! In the Bible there is
: reference to the Throne of God which indicates that in Heaven there is
: a situation of absolute monarchy; can we extend this to a suggestion
: that earth should mirror Heaven constitutionally? Heaven may be an
: absolute monarchy, but, due to the fact that ever since Adam ate the
: apple the human-race has been in a fallen state, thus, the
: corruptibility of human individuals. This would not be a realistic
: option for good governance, hence the checks and balances referred to
: in the Bible that God put on the ancient Hebrew kings, which also
: applies to the modern British monarchs. The republic which replaced
: royal-government in America has a mandate "from the people", which
: validity is questionable and open to debate, however, the monarchy the
: 1776 generation of American colonists renounced its allegiance to, the
: British Monarchy, has a "divine" mandate from God to rule, as
: illustrated in its "origin-story", that is, the story of "The Sword In
: The Stone", when a 15-year old squire, named Arthur, pulled the sword
: "Excalibur" from "Vulcan?s Anvil", in AD495, which fulfilled the
: "vision" and/or prophecy of St. Bryce, as well as the instructions
: given by Pope Gelasius in his "Epistle to The Britons" to let God
: decide, which he sent to the Britons in response to a letter the
: Britons [gathered in a national convention during a vacancy of the
: throne] had wrote and sent to him by an embassy asking him [the pope]
: to make them a king. The episode was determined a miracle by the
: British people, and, interpreted as a sign that God had chosen the
: young lad [Arthur] to be the king giving him and his successors, the
: British royal-line, a divine commission to produce the shepherds
: [kings] for His [God?s] flock [sheep] in the British Isles and its
: overseas colonies, which once included America until the 1776
: rebellion. This commission is still valid and will remain so until the
: "Second Coming" of Jesus, The "Christ", that is, when "Messiah"
: establishes the direct rule of God in person on earth incarnate in
: Jesus, the future "world-king", who forever lives, and whose "kingdom"
: will be an eternal absolute monarchy and theocratic state, and the
: human experiment of "democracy" will prove a failure and disappear
: forever from the experience of the human race.  Meantime, the British
: royal-line reigns "by the Grace of God", not "by the will of the
: people", representing God?s rule, not man?s rule, while America,
: rejecting the theocratic right of the Creator to choose the country's
: rulers, elects its own rulers, the presidents, whom govern by a
: "mandate from the people", which is a devilish concept from the Bible
: standpoint, for who can give one man the right to rule over another
: man, surely not a constitution written by a "congress" of men, nor
: laws enacted by a "congress" of men who have no authority to do so,
: for only God can give that right. Yea, people make presidents,
: however, God makes kings. It appears that man in his rebellion against
: God thinks he can exist apart from his Creator. Indeed, America, from
: 1776, has been a country in rebellion against its divinely ordained
: sovereign, remembering that the British royal-house descends from King
: Arthur [through the Tudors], and descends [through the Stuarts] from
: Christianity's "Holy Family", that is, the "Family of Jesus", the
: "Jesus Dynasty", or more precisely from St. James, one of the so-
: called "brothers" of Jesus. And, on some early royal genealogical
: charts The "Virgin" Mary appears as the ancestress of the British
: Royal House (2nd-6th Cent. AD), via Saint James, one of the so-called
: "brothers" of Jesus! The 1776 Rebellion was not only against the Royal
: Family but also against their ancestors, the Holy Family. How can a
: Christian people rebel against the descendants of Christianity's Holy
: Family? The Hollywood movie "1776", unsatisfactorily explains the
: reasons for breaking-ties with the mother-country though
: entertaining.
:        The phrase [in the 1776 "Independence Declaration"] "the inalienable
: rights the Creator gave to man", that is, "human-rights", is a very
: appealing idea, however, the truth of the matter is the whole idea of
: "human rights" is a fantasy, for Jesus says "we are not our own, for
: we are bought with a price" (1 Cor 6:19b-20a), that is, His
: "Sacrifice", hence, we "the people" actually have no rights. And, even
: if King George The Third was an ungodly king, though for the 1776
: generation in America to question his authority was in essence to
: question God?s purpose. He had a "mandate" from the Creator, called
: "divine-right", therefore, the 1776 generation of American colonists
: should have obeyed him in all things!
:        Is it possible to convince reasonable people that authority based on
: a fantasy has any right to exist, much less one to govern? In the
: first national convention the 1776 generation of America severed its
: allegiance to the British Crown. That convention initially wanted to
: crown George Washington as "King of America"; and, when he refused the
: office, it was offered to the British Jacobite Heir, "Bonnie Prince
: Charlie", who was invited to establish a rival royal court in America,
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From: The Heretic <michaelrja...@videotron.ca>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:42:11 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: the "4th of July", 1776, "declaration": a Bible perspective
On Jul 19, 5:31 pm, Louis Epstein <l...@main.put.com> wrote:

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From: "jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com" <jwsheffi...@satx.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:09:39 -0700 (PDT)
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Brutus: Vindiciae, contra tyrannos: or, Concerning the Legitimate
Power of a Prince over the People, and of the People over a Prince
(Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought) (Hardcover)
by Stephanius Jurius Brutus (Author), George Garnett (Editor)

13 of 15 people found the following review helpful:
 The Right of Revolution Vindicated..., April 29, 2002
By  Ryan Setliff "InternetPundit.com" (VA, USA)

~Vindiciae, Contra Tyrannos~ is best translated to "A Vindication of
Opposition to Tyrants." It was written in response to French
monarchy's slaughter of Fre