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A.V.  
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 More options Jan 11 2002, 2:26 pm
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From: vsec...@usa.net (A.V.)
Date: 11 Jan 2002 11:26:28 -0800
Local: Fri, Jan 11 2002 2:26 pm
Subject: Peter the Great of Russia ?
What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?
Was he the emperor of Russia, and/or tsar of Moscow, Kiew, Poland,
Finland, Georgia, Bulgaria, etc ? Thanks

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Don Aitken  
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 More options Jan 11 2002, 7:13 pm
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From: don-ait...@freeuk.com (Don Aitken)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 00:12:50 GMT
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
On 11 Jan 2002 11:26:28 -0800, vsec...@usa.net (A.V.) wrote:

>What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?
>Was he the emperor of Russia, and/or tsar of Moscow, Kiew, Poland,
>Finland, Georgia, Bulgaria, etc ? Thanks

I don't know about his full title, but I think he was the first to use
the western style of "Emperor" in addition to the traditional one of
"Tsar" (which arguably carries the same meaning anyway). He did not
rule Poland, Finland, Georgia or Bulgaria, which were not incorporated
into the Russian Empire until much later (or never, in the case of
Bulgaria), and I don't think he ever claimed to.

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David Pritchard  
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 More options Jan 11 2002, 7:39 pm
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From: pritchard...@hotmail.com (David Pritchard)
Date: 11 Jan 2002 16:39:47 -0800
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?

> What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?
> Was he the emperor of Russia, and/or tsar of Moscow, Kiew, Poland,
> Finland, Georgia, Bulgaria, etc ? Thank

Just a guess at your question.

HIM Peter I Autocrat and Sovereign Emperor of Russia, Tsar of Moscow,
Tsar of Kiev, Tsar of Astrakhan, Tsar of Siberia, Prince of Estland,
Prince of Livland, Princree of Karelia and Ingria, etc.

Remember that Red Russia, Georgia, Finland, Poland, Chernigov, Crimea,
etc. were not yet part of the Empire.


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 More options Jan 11 2002, 7:46 pm
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From: bra...@mindspring.com (Stan Brown)
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:46:18 -0500
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
A.V. <vsec...@usa.net> wrote in alt.talk.royalty:

>What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?
>Was he the emperor of Russia, and/or tsar of Moscow, Kiew, Poland,
>Finland, Georgia, Bulgaria, etc ? Thanks

Definitely not Finland -- that belonged to Sweden until 1814 or
1815 (the end of the Napoleonic Wars).

It was Peter the Great who changed the Tsar's title to the Western
title of Emperor, though of course many people still say Tsar or
Czar to this day.

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June Ferguson  
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 More options Jan 11 2002, 8:01 pm
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From: "June Ferguson" <fe...@nemaine.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 19:55:11 -0500
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
Petr I "The Great", Czar and Autocrat of all the Russias

"A.V." <vsec...@usa.net> wrote in message

news:55cba0dc.0201111126.6f7858c@posting.google.com...


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David Pritchard  
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 5:56 am
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From: pritchard...@hotmail.com (David Pritchard)
Date: 12 Jan 2002 02:56:33 -0800
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?

"June Ferguson" <fe...@nemaine.com> wrote in message <news:3c3f8ac3_2@news.cybertours.com>...
> Petr I "The Great", Czar and Autocrat of all the Russias

> "A.V." <vsec...@usa.net> wrote in message
> news:55cba0dc.0201111126.6f7858c@posting.google.com...
> > What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?
> > Was he the emperor of Russia, and/or tsar of Moscow, Kiew, Poland,
> > Finland, Georgia, Bulgaria, etc ? Thanks

Dear June,

HIM Cathrine II was the first Russian monarch who could rightfully
claim to be the Czarina and Autocrat of All the Russias, when the
partition of Poland gave her control of the balance of White Russia
and all of Red Russia.

The Russias are:

*Great Russia, now the western part of the Russian Federation.
*Little Russia, now Urkraine minus Crimea.
*White Russia, now Belarus, less the western part which was transfered
to it after WW II at the expense of Poland.
*Red Russia, now southern Poland near the present Czech and Ukrainian
border.

Kindest regards,

David Pritchard


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Dimitry Macedonsky  
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 8:32 am
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From: "Dimitry Macedonsky" <dimi...@royalty.spb.ru>
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:22:59 +0300
Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 8:22 am
Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?

"A.V." <vsec...@usa.net> wrote:
> What was the full title of Peter the Great  of Russia ?

Something like:

By the Grace of God Peter the Great, Emperor and Autocrator of all the
Russias, Father of Fatherland, Tsar of Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod,
Tsar of Kazan, Astrakhan, Sibiria, Lord of Pskov and Grand Duke of Smolensk,
Duke of Estland, Liveland, Korela, Tver, Yugra, Perm, Vytka, Bulgaria &c,
Lord and Grand Duke of Novgorod lower lands, Chernigov, Ryazan, Rostov,
Yaroslavl, Beloozersk, Udor, Obdoria, Konda, and all the Northern land ruler
and Lord of Iverian lands of Kartalinian and Georgian tsars and Kabardinian
lands of Cherkass and Mauntain princes, and of many other lands lord and
owner.

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Don Aitken  
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 11:38 am
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From: don-ait...@freeuk.com (Don Aitken)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:37:08 GMT
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:22:59 +0300, "Dimitry Macedonsky"

Thanks for this. I presume that "Bulgaria" is Great Bulgaria on the
Volga, not the modern state of that name. Are you sure that the claim
to the Georgian and Iberian lands goes so far back? I thought they
were not conquered until the 19th century.

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David / Amicus  
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 4:45 pm
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From: Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 13:17:31 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sat, Jan 12 2002 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
Isn't one on the titles of the Tsar of Russia "Crown Prince of Norway"?
How did that come about?

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Dimitry Macedonsky  
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 4:54 pm
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From: dimi...@royalty.spb.ru (Dimitry Macedonsky)
Date: 12 Jan 2002 13:54:47 -0800
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?

Don Aitken wrote:
> I presume that "Bulgaria" is Great Bulgaria on the
> Volga, not the modern state of that name.

Exactly

> Are you sure that the claim to the Georgian and
> Iberian lands goes so far back?

Since 1598 or so.

> I thought they were not conquered until
> the 19th century.

Since 1801 - Tsar of Georgia, until then - protector.
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 More options Jan 12 2002, 9:34 pm
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From: eagarr...@mailandnews.com (Edwin Garrett)
Date: 12 Jan 2002 18:34:14 -0800
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?

> pritchard...@hotmail.com (David Pritchard) wrote:
> The Russias are:

<SNIP>

> *Red Russia, now southern Poland near the present Czech and Ukrainian
> border.

Is what is being termed Red Russia the same as Ruthenia?

Edwin Garrett


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David Pritchard  
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 More options Jan 13 2002, 12:08 am
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From: pritchard...@hotmail.com (David Pritchard)
Date: 12 Jan 2002 21:08:08 -0800
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Subject: Re: Peter the Great of Russia ?
Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote in message <news:13936-3C40A7EB-39@storefull-2135.public.lawson.webtv.net>...

> Isn't one on the titles of the Tsar of Russia "Crown Prince of Norway"?
> How did that come about?

Dear Sir,

Since the reign of Peter III, the Russian Emperor has had the title
"Heir of Norway" along with various German titles. The father of Peter
III was Christian Furst von (Schleswig-)Holstein-Gottorp and thus
inherited his titles upon his father's death.

Kindest regards,

David Pritchard


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 More options Jan 13 2002, 6:05 am
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Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 12:10:41 +0100
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