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 More options Jun 19, 12:40 pm
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From: "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:40:17 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:40 pm
Subject: Diabetic Deafness
This should come as no surprise.
The first thing they say to look for in sudden hearing loss is excess
iron.
Iron and diabetes have been closely linked.
An NIH clinical trial is recruiting for iron depletion in diabetes.

---------------
DGNews

Hearing Loss Is Twice as Likely in Adults With Diabetes

BETHESDA, Md -- June 18, 2008 -- Hearing loss is about twice as common
in adults with diabetes compared to those who do not have the disease,
according to a new study.

"Hearing loss may be an under-recognised complication of diabetes. As
diabetes becomes more common, the disease may become a more
significant contributor to hearing loss," said senior author Catherine
Cowie, PhD, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney
Diseases (NIDDK), who suggested that people with diabetes should
consider having their hearing tested. "Our study found a strong and
consistent link between hearing impairment and diabetes using a number
of different outcomes."

The researchers analysed data from hearing tests administered from
1999 to 2004 to participants in the National Health and Nutrition
Examination Survey (NHANES) conducted by the National Center for
Health Statistics, part of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Half of the 11,405 survey participants aged 20 to 69 were
randomly assigned to have their hearing tested, and nearly 90% of them
completed the hearing exam and the diabetes questionnaire.

"Using the data from the hearing tests, we measured hearing impairment
in 8 different ways. Also, participants responded to questions about
hearing loss in the questionnaire, which asked whether they had a
little trouble hearing, a lot of trouble hearing, or were deaf without
a hearing aid," said Dr. Cowie. In addition, 2,259 of the participants
who received hearing tests were randomly assigned to have their blood
glucose tested after an overnight fast.

The researchers discovered the higher rate of hearing loss in those
with diabetes after analysing the results of hearing tests given to a
nationally representative sample of adults in the United States. The
test measured participants' ability to hear low, middle, and high
frequency sounds in both ears. The link between diabetes and hearing
loss was evident across all frequencies, with a stronger association
in the high-frequency range. Mild or greater hearing impairment of
low- or mid-frequency sounds in the worse ear was about 21% in 399
adults with diabetes compared with about 9% in 4,741 adults without
diabetes. For high-frequency sounds, mild or greater hearing
impairment in the worse ear was 54% in those with diabetes compared
with 32% in those who did not have the disease.

Adults with pre-diabetes, whose blood glucose is higher than normal
but not high enough for a diabetes diagnosis, had a 30% higher rate of
hearing loss compared to those with normal blood sugar tested after an
overnight fast.

"This is the first study of a nationally representative sample of
working age adults, 20 to 69 years old, and we found an association
between diabetes and hearing impairment evident as early as ages 30 to
40," said Dr. Cowie.

SOURCE: National Institutes of Health

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 More options Jun 19, 8:46 pm
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From: Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness
Okay, I can do this dance too.
Someone with credentials in Otolaryngology suggests that the
Sudden Hearing Loss was associated with a subset of patients
that had a disturbance of iron metabolism. Big difference from
iron excess. Also, these folks don't speculate about cause-and-
effect relationships. Be sure to read the article to see what they
say about IRON EXCESS.

Sun A, Wang Z, Li J.

Department of Otolaryngology, Changhai Hospital, Second Military
Medical University, Shanghai.

Two hundred and eighteen patients with disorders of disturbance of
iron metabolism, 215 with hematonosis and 4850 in a normal control
group were studied in a prospective with sudden hearing loss and were
meanwhile investigated in a retrospective review in order to evaluate
the relationship between the disorders of disturbance of iron
metabolism
and sudden hearing loss. The findings revealed a significantly higher
incidence of sudden hearing loss in the cases of disturbance of iron
metabolism, than in the patients with hematonosis as well as in the
normal control group. Iron deficiency and iron deficiency anemia were
found in 60.84% of 429 patients with sudden hearing loss. We
concluded that the risk of disturbance of iron metabolism in the
cochlea will significantly increase when systemic disturbance of iron
metabolism is present although the one does not necessarily
indicate the other. It seems that acute disturbance of iron
metabolism
in cochlea causes sudden hearing loss directly or provides a
pathologic basis for the disorder.

PMID: 9812800 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

On Jun 19, 12:40 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:


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From: "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:45:02 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness
On Jun 19, 9:40 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
excess
iron <<

Am J Med Genet A. 2004 Sep 15;130A(1):22-5. Links
Superficial siderosis: a potentially important cause of genetic as
well as non-genetic deafness.
Dodson KM, Sismanis A, Nance WE.
Department of Otolaryngology/Head and Neck Surgery, Virginia
Commonwealth University School of Medicine and Health Sciences,
Medical College of Virginia Campus, Richmond, Virginia 23298-0146,
USA. kelleydod...@comcast.net

Superficial siderosis is an important disease that is increasingly
being recognized as a cause of sensorineural hearing loss.
Hemosiderin, resulting from repeated episodes of subarachnoid
bleeding, is deposited preferentially on the surface of the eighth
nerve, cerebellum, and brain stem as a consequence of glial catabolism
of ferritin within those structures. This deposition eventually
results in destruction and demyelination within the central nervous
system, leading to the cardinal clinical findings of superficial
siderosis: hearing loss, ataxia, and myelopathy. This mechanism may
contribute to the pathogenesis of several forms of genetic deafness,
and should be considered as a diagnostic possibility in cases of late
onset deafness even in the absence of an overt history of subarachnoid
bleeding. Copyright 2004 Wiley-Liss, Inc.

PMID: 15368490 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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From: "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:26:56 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:26 pm
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness
On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:Sudden
Hearing Loss was associated with a subset of patients
that had a disturbance of iron metabolism. Big difference from
iron excess. <<

Big .. difference .. ?

On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: Also,
these folks don't speculate about cause-and-
effect relationships. <<

Negativity ..again .. man .. is unsupportive ..

On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: Be sure
to read the article to see what they say about IRON EXCESS. <<

"All the people who went deaf are iron deficient"

Is that the part you .. gayly .. refer to .. ?

Is it .. ?

Didn't we JUST have a big long hard .. discussion .. about .. "iron
deficiency" .. ?

You think Chinese military prisons .. CAN .. diagnose
iron ..deficiency .. ?

WHEN we just established anyone who says they can is a .. fkg ..
liar .. ?

You are a really helpful .. guy ..

How .. come .. I don't think you are trying to BE .. helpful ..
lefty .. ?

How .. come ..

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 More options Jun 20, 1:57 pm
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From: "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:57:03 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 20 2008 1:57 pm
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness
actually to be a bit more precise, a genetic' condition

once again, tom posts a refutation of his core theory.

it is always useful when he does so - makes it so much easier for
newbies to understand the basic conflict of his positions.

just another clear example of effect rather than cause...


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 More options Jun 20, 2:18 pm
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From: "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:18:09 GMT
Local: Fri, Jun 20 2008 2:18 pm
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness

"ironjust...@aol.com" wrote:

> On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:Sudden
> Hearing Loss was associated with a subset of patients
> that had a disturbance of iron metabolism. Big difference from
> iron excess. <<

> Big .. difference .. ?

cause and effect tom

> On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: Also,
> these folks don't speculate about cause-and-
> effect relationships. <<

> Negativity ..again .. man .. is unsupportive ..

pointing out the issues is hardly unsupportative -

oh! you mean any disagreement whatsoever with your point of view?

gosh - that's too bad tom...especially when it happens so often

> On Jun 19, 5:46 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote: Be sure
> to read the article to see what they say about IRON EXCESS. <<

> "All the people who went deaf are iron deficient"

> Is that the part you .. gayly .. refer to .. ?

why tom - are you referring to his light hearted approach?  sure hope
so...otherwise you would just be expressing bigotry

> Is it .. ?

let's find out...

> Didn't we JUST have a big long hard .. discussion .. about .. "iron
> deficiency" .. ?

which month and year tom? and which newsgroup? do try to be a bit more
precise in your interrogatories...

> You think Chinese military prisons .. CAN .. diagnose
> iron ..deficiency .. ?

all of them? any of them? why single out the chinese? are you bigoted
towards them also?

> WHEN we just established anyone who says they can is a .. fkg ..
> liar .. ?

a) you have no right to the plural 'we',
b) you haven't established that anyone else agrees with your
interpretation of whatever it is that you are referring to
c) others with sufficient medical, scientific, or research credentials
can of course hold an opinion that differs from yours without being a
liar...

> You are a really helpful .. guy ..

indeed - he often has been and also sometimes a bit controversial -
envious of his ability to discuss?

> How .. come .. I don't think  [correction: change think to 'feel'] you are trying to BE .. helpful ..
> lefty .. ?

bingo!!! there's that old homophobia peeking out again tommy - is it
that you fear something?

or is it that you're just a big jerk to think it's funny?

sure seems like anyone that you disagree with - sooner or later - gets
that label...of course you do have other labels for the women don't
you?  always alluding to what you imagine they must look like -

just what is it that you fear to use those terms so often? perhaps it is
just your outward expression of your own self-loathing...calling so many
folks the names that you fear apply to yourself?

well, whatever the reason - you're just a simple bigot

> How .. come ..

indeed tom - how come you write those things?


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From: "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Fri, Jun 20 2008 3:55 pm
Subject: Re: Diabetic Deafness
On Jun 20, 10:57 am, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote: long winded whack <<

DGNews

Hearing Loss Is Twice as Likely in Adults With Diabetes

BETHESDA, Md -- June 18, 2008 -- Hearing loss is about twice as
common
in adults with diabetes compared to those who do not have the
disease,
according to a new study.

"Hearing loss may be an under-recognised complication of diabetes. As
diabetes becomes more common, the disease may become a more
significant contributor to hearing loss," said senior author
Catherine
Cowie, PhD, National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney
Diseases (NIDDK), who suggested that people with diabetes should
consider having their hearing tested. "Our study found a strong and
consistent link between hearing impairment and diabetes using a
number
of different outcomes."

The researchers analysed data from hearing tests administered from
1999 to 2004 to participants in the National Health and Nutrition
Examination Survey (NHANES) conducted by the National Center for
Health Statistics, part of the Centers for Disease Control and
Prevention. Half of the 11,405 survey participants aged 20 to 69 were
randomly assigned to have their hearing tested, and nearly 90% of
them
completed the hearing exam and the diabetes questionnaire.

"Using the data from the hearing tests, we measured hearing
impairment
in 8 different ways. Also, participants responded to questions about
hearing loss in the questionnaire, which asked whether they had a
little trouble hearing, a lot of trouble hearing, or were deaf
without
a hearing aid," said Dr. Cowie. In addition, 2,259 of the
participants
who received hearing tests were randomly assigned to have their blood
glucose tested after an overnight fast.

The researchers discovered the higher rate of hearing loss in those
with diabetes after analysing the results of hearing tests given to a
nationally representative sample of adults in the United States. The
test measured participants' ability to hear low, middle, and high
frequency sounds in both ears. The link between diabetes and hearing
loss was evident across all frequencies, with a stronger association
in the high-frequency range. Mild or greater hearing impairment of
low- or mid-frequency sounds in the worse ear was about 21% in 399
adults with diabetes compared with about 9% in 4,741 adults without
diabetes. For high-frequency sounds, mild or greater hearing
impairment in the worse ear was 54% in those with diabetes compared
with 32% in those who did not have the disease.

Adults with pre-diabetes, whose blood glucose is higher than normal
but not high enough for a diabetes diagnosis, had a 30% higher rate
of
hearing loss compared to those with normal blood sugar tested after
an
overnight fast.

"This is the first study of a nationally representative sample of
working age adults, 20 to 69 years old, and we found an association
between diabetes and hearing impairment evident as early as ages 30
to
40," said Dr. Cowie.

SOURCE: National Institutes of Health

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Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk