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Bernie  
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 More options May 3 1997, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, alt.support.ex-cult
From: b...@arcadis.be (Bernie)
Date: 1997/05/03
Subject: Re: "I'm a cult veteran -- and I'm one tough son of a bitch"

ste...@castlsys.demon.co.uk (Steve A) wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 1997 06:49:22 GMT, b...@arcadis.be (Bernie) wrote:
>> Didn't you yourself post ramblings about the COS in an alt.comp
>> newsgroup, Steve? Now that's for sure is most relevant... Or are
>> you defining "relevant" as something that suits your one-sided
>> crusade and "irrelevant" anything that may contradict it?
>I endeavour to make sure that every group in the Newsgroups: line is
>valid. Occasionally I forget to check where a post to which I am
>responding is being crossposted to; sometimes it is difficult to
>establish where in the list of groups a poster is posting from.
>However, when this is pointed out to me, I invariably restrict
>X-posts.

My my my, you sure would benefit from a little bit of memory
improvement session from one of the cults, Stevie.

I can hardly belief that you can cover what you did in the
comp.sys.acorn.misc newsgroup with such a lame pretext as
"occasionally I forget to check where a post to which I am
responding is being crossposted to". What you did was nothing
less than the disgusting act of trying to smear and discredit
the editor of a computer magazine in the middle of the newsgroup
he was posting to, for no better reason that he was a
Scientologist.

Forgot it all already? Then I need to refresh your memory with
some of the reactions you encountered in there:

        "how can you critise the methods of the CoS when you are
         advocating similar yourself? To anyone here in
         c.s.a.misc you are ridiculous."

        "Tell me, those of you on alt.religion.scientology, do
         rants against individual scientologists usually spill
         over into newsgroups where a substantial number of
         people:

        a) Know the individual personally
        b) Frequently see postings from the individual
        c) Have read editorials and articles by the individual
         for about the last ten years without noticing *any*
         bias towards scientological viewpoints"

        "If he doesn't use his position to promote his views
         (and he doesn't), then his beliefs or affiliation are
         *not* relevant to us. We are certainly *not* justified
         in withdrawing support from Acorn User."

You even made the incredible blunder to "know better" the status
of the people in a newsgroup that you obvious never read. You
said:

        "> I doubt it very much. You really aren't that
         important, you know.

        No? Given that Steve Turnbull succeeded me at Acorn User
         (and you seem to consider him fair game) I'd like to
         know how you make that decision. ;-)

        (Well, actually I wouldn't, which is why I've deleted
         c.s.a.misc from the newsgroup list. Come back when
         you've learned to argue ;-)."

Your bigoted action of course had the exact reverse effect than
the one you expected. Seems people in there are able to see
through games such as yours rather well - fortunately:

        "it might cause some people to think: "Well if
         *Steve Turnbull's* a scientologist, perhaps it's not so
         bad after all." "

Even the guy who started it all apologized and said:

        I've never met Steve [Turnbull], he's probably a great
        person - I can see that he has many friends here.

        I was surprised to read the extract from Steve
        [Turnbull]'s editorial about censorship.  It contrasts
        with the actions of the CoS in trying to muzzle a.r.s,"

And your trip in this newsgroup had another positive effect: it
provided me with an excellent .sig from someone describing your
action.

        "All bigots are unequal, but some are more unequal than
         others."

>What I do NOT do is to go off at the poster who pointed my
>error out, insist that if he doesn't want MY posts in HIS newsgroup,
>he'd better damn well find himself a new one with a watertight
>charter, or leave Usenet altogether.

No, of course you don't...

>There IS a difference, Bernie, though I doubt that you will ever see
>it. It's called "common courtesy".

How did you say it's called again?

Bernie


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