leny wrote:
> In article <5rhhg2$8e
...@snews2.magna.com.au>, Zed <z
...@magna.com.au> wrote:
> >Here's the dilemma as I see it: to the German Govt.
> >Scientologist=someone who wants to take over the Government and
> >replace it with a Scientology institution, by any means necessary.
> >Germany bases their opinions of all Scientologists on the
> >totalitarian overtones present in some of Scientology's teachings and
> >on the criminal convictions of some high-level Scientologists in
> >other countries.
Welcome back Leny, you've not posted anything for quite awhile. You came
into Scn thru Narconon, or was it CCHR? I'm assuming this is the same
"Leny" that was active for Scn here a few years back?
> Funny you bring this up. The COS never went in trying to "take over"
> Germany. They just wanted to go about their business of saving the
> world :-)
Hubbard certainly had something special in mind as regards control of
Germany. And the OSA documents about it were seized during the German
raid in the 80's.
> Enter CCHR. Their business is finding and exposing psychiatric
> abuses and frauds. A few years ago CCHR they investigated, reported,
> lobbied and eventually stopped the "Deep Sleep" thereapy in Chelmsford
> Australia (New Zealand?). OK, the psych hospital got closed down, big
> investigation by the govt. and the head shrink blew his brains out.
Dream on again. CCHR is just a front group for bashing psychs. I should
know, I helped set up the DC chapter in the late 60's. They have no real
concern about abuses or reforms, or the plight of the mentally will.
Hubbard thought if he bashed the mental health community enough he might
be able to shake down the govt and get govt money for his "tech".
> This kind of stuff happens a lot. There was a lot of shit from the
> Italian govt. a few years ago and guess what? CCHR was working on
> exposing and closing dismal psych hospitals there too.
Do you have some other source for that claim, other than your Freedom
rag?
> A couple years ago, according to COS, the FBI solicited CCHRs help in
> getting information on National Medical Enterprises (NME) psychiatric
> hospitals. The Feds raided NMEs offices and confiscated thousands of
> documents as evidence of insurance fraud on psychiatric cases. Bottom
> line, NME paid at least $150 Million in fines and eventually divested
> itself of psychiatric profit centers.
More hype. Do you have some government documentation of this CCHR/FBI
task force victory? Since the case is over, you should not have any
difficulty documenting this claim and obtaining the files to
substantiate it. I think you are simply huffing.
> Enough of the examples, here's the point: The COS is making enemies
> with a very rich profession, PSYCHIATRY.
Scientology is making a lot of enemies with many groups and individuals,
rich and poor alike. They are really professionals in that regard.
> Where did psychiatry originate? Germany? I wonder what CCHR is doing
> to investigate German psychiatry. I wonder how close they are getting
> to the truth? I wonder how many people there are scared? What
> skeletons are in the closet? It's funny, the more CCHR nails psych
> abuses, the more they expose govt. and psych corruption, the stronger
> the attacks that appear from "other areas".
Going on Hubbard's maxim that Scientology thrives when it is under
attack, that certainly does not appear to be the case in Germany, does
it?
> I remember in 1977, the COS's Freedom Magazine came out with a big
> front page story about how the U.S. Army experimented with
> halucinogenic (sp?) drugs on their own personel, in the early 50's.
Nothing new about that and Scientology certainly did not have any
"exclusive" on that information. Hubbard did a lot of
self-experimentation with hallucinogenic drugs in the 50's. Now THAT
would be a great story for the Freedom tabloid.
> Shortly after that they were raided by the FBI in Los Angeles, for
> stealing documents. Coincidence? Maybe. BTW, since the documents
> were obtained via the Freedom of Information act AND they used their
> own paper they were conviced of stealing electricity (copier). And
> since it was more than two persons it was a _conspiracy_ to steal
> electricity.
The documents that the GO stole were investigative files on Scientology
and were NOT obtained via the FOIA. There were dozens of GO agents
involved in this criminal activity and Scn lawyers acknowledged, in the
stipulation, that at all times Hubbard was in control of the GO. He only
managed to skip being indicted because of the extreme measures Scn took
to hide him from government agents, and getting his wife to take the rap
for him.
> It's amazing how violent the reaction can be when you expose the
> truth. Just look how organized all this hate is against the COS. The
> church is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but come
> on...organized protests, elaborate web sites, large scale distribution
> of confidential material? Anti Scientology measures in German
> government?
Your naivety and ignorance comes as no great shock. You've been
indoctrinated quite effectively.
> There is more at work here than just a bunch of disgruntled ex-cult
> members. Remember Jim Jones and the Cool Aid 900? How about those
> suicide comet space men with no balls? Ya don't hear much about them
> anymore and neither of those two groups got nearly the bad mouthing
> that Scientology is getting.
OSA's final valuable products are the continued growth of organizational
paranoia and the creation of enemies to fight. Their stats are really
soaring.
> Scientology is stepping on some powerful toes. Toes of men who wish
> to control more of the world than they already do. Men who control
> the ingredients of your food, those who decide which drugs you can
> receive, those who control the idiocy level of mindless TV programing,
> those who control just what you are taught and not taught from grade
> school to college, those who control just what is broadcast on the
> evening news, those who decide which 3rd world country gets what arms
> shipment, and yes, those who desire to control the world population by
> controling the opinions and thinking; and use psychiatry as the means
> of doing so.
Yes, Leny. And pretty soon the unmarked black helicopters will be
landing at Gold, to round up at the execs and take them into custody for
ECT and psychosurgery, and reverse processing on Hubbard's secret tech.
Watch your back and be careful about strangers who offer you food or
snacks.
Give it up now. The conspiracy against Hubbard and his org is just too
big to resist.
Joe
