Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: "Kevin Brady" <rocks...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:02:34 GMT
Local: Sun, Mar 18 2001 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: $cientology's "RPF" Slave Labor Camps
news:20010318111733.07138.00001524@ng-cp1.aol.com...
> >From: "Kevin Brady" rocks...@hotmail.com Where would these people go? They have no money, no clothes, no food, and > >Kymus- > >please. The above working conditions you describe were SOUGHT OUT by the > What you describe might be true of some people's RPF experience, and I all of their friends are organization members. Where is the support base to escape Flag? Hitch-hike? Where? Lose your bridge for eternity? After so much hard work already under the bridge? You are probably right that there is little physical restraint used, The SO specializes in hard-selling the idealist which volunteer for service, > >Surely you can see that this is a human rights violation? If not Consent given under fraudulent claims and misrepresentation of the actual slavery, > >it is imprisonment and psychological torture, accompanied by total > >disconnection from their families and friends. > No, I don't see that. Staff membership in the Sea Organization is founded situation? > RPFers have family time like other staff, are not imprisoned, and are not Life is not hopeless and needlessly painful. Its a pissing good time when > psycholoigcally tortured by RPF activities to any greater extent than they are > psychologically tortured by the fact of existing in an apparently pointless > universe filled with suffering, i.e. suffer the common human condition, or by > undergoing counseling which exposes one's flaws and penetrates and defeats > one's illadaptive defenses, in the manner some psychotherapy does. If reality > therapy, gestalt, psychoanalysis, etc. are all torture then I'd accept that the > RPF is too. Since their Sea Org membership, a necessary precondition to RPF > membership, is their own chosen response to the uncomfortable fact of being > alive, in an effort to make living in it not hopeless and needlessly painful, I > don't see how it should be described as torture. you get the people away from you that drag you down, discover something valuable about yourself and begin exchanging it with the wider MORE ETHICAL world outside the Church. In fact, just having to point that out to you gets me kind of depressed. I might have to go have a beer, some good food at 30 dollars a plate, and contemplate how narrowly I avoided serfdom to the Church. > >Almost enough to induce I am not arguing to deprive people of their religion, or anything else. You > >first circuit shock, sometimes actually passing that threshhold. Would you > >condone this? > Why are you trying to argue to deprive some people's capacity to choose are representing as if the SO were forthcoming about the actual stats on scientology to their applicants, that they are told the truth about actual conditions, that they are aware of the actions of their organization- in short, as if it were bound by workplace laws, subject to any kind of oversight from unbiased parties (and Ron ensured that Scientology would never consider ANY outside party unbiased or able). They are deceiving people, which is why they need the hard sell, and why staff members are afraid of SO missions, why public disappear when the SO arrives. I never got it, because I was an idealist, and thought that maybe the other people around me had compromised their own integrity so severely that they could not see the opportunity working for the SO was. Backwards. They all saw, clearer than myself, that the SO destroys orgs with their "helpful" missions, that cost the org about ten thousand dollars per day, that there were things being done that average scientologists didn't agree with but certainly did not want to confront management over, due to concerns about loss of bridge, disconnection, etc. > There are distinctly specific instances where RPF members have been There is not a global policy covering the institution of this abuse in the abused. I > have seen or been subject to the same abuses or worse in public schools, health > care institutions, workplaces, etc. In each case the remedy is particular to > the case rather than being in a campaign to simply label the entire institution > with Nazi-laden imagery. other cases you are thinking of. The Church doesn't have isolated incidents, where this happens as an accident, it is all there in red/green on white. Or in SO mission orders, as the case may be, although these are probably destroyed after a sensitive, possible out-pr outcome. The "isolated incidents" don't happen by some dude getting up and acting on his own- NO. It happens because some dude applies POLICY, because he is a fanatic who has lost sight of his own decency due to exhaustion, malnutrition, Tone 40, "ethics", sec checking. The real reason an SO member doesn't leave isn't because he is necessarily afraid of reprisal, but because he is afraid he would have to admit that he had slid down a slippery slope of increasingly betraying his own internal compass, and mortgaged his awareness to the "greater good" of scientology INTERNATIONAL, which he is continually lied to about. GIGO, buddy. > Granted, I have never been on the RPF but I've known those who have and I think that the entire SO was a solution to a dangerous environment, that seen it > up close. There is no representative depiction of the RPF as "slave labor > camps" that is founded on anything but hysteria and venom. I agree that it is > tragic that some people have had wrongful acts committed against them in the > RPF and believe these specific instances merit legal redress. it continued to be enacted after the danger had passed (an overt solution in the first place), and that it should be disbanded. But since members of this organization have created an inner cabal, and seized control of the Church from the inside, perhaps with help from the IRS, I don't think the SO will be letting go until the last PC dies in Introspection. See LRH's own policy on Group Engram handling, I believe in the first or second Tech Volume. After the dangerous situation has passed (all bypasses are to be TEMPORARY), the exec is supposed to explain why it was necessary, how the situation was handled, and resume NORMAL operation. Ach. I need sleep. I appreciate your genuine exchange, here. I am sorry if I seem impatient. kgb > = The a.r.s. prime directive: Make Jokes About Scientologist's Deaths=
> Example, regarding Attorney Moxon and his UNFORTUNATE loss: "Maybe he You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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