Super Scio - World Takeover (answering Anonymous) - alt.religion.scientology

Message from discussion Super Scio - World Takeover (answering Anonymous)

Bernie

More options Dec 10 1997, 3:00 am

Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, alt.clearing.technology

From: b...@arcadis.be (Bernie)

Date: 1997/12/10

Subject: Re: Super Scio - World Takeover (answering Anonymous)

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landl...@earth.common (Ruanaidh) wrote in article
<landless-ya02408000R0712971815090...@news.zip.com.au>
(alt.religion.scientology):

>In article <3487AC0D.2...@metronet.de>, Klaus Bloemker
><bloem...@metronet.de> wrote:
>>The Pilot wrote:
>>> WORLD TAKOVER (ANSWERING ANONYMOUS)
>>> On 21 Nov, 97, Anonymous <a...@anon.efga.org> asked:
>>>> 3. Do you think the German Government is overreacting to
>>>> Scientology?
>>> Definitely.

Yep. I missed that answer from the Pilot, but I am glad
that he seem to see through the situation clearly.

>>I would like to make a little comment on the subject, as a complete
>>outsider to Scientology:
>>1.
>>In the light of the fact that Scientology has not even been able so far
>>to get political control over a small city like Clearwater, the German
>>government's reaction definitely looks like an overreaction.
>>(Having put Scientology under surveillance.)
>Hubbard was a corrupt personality, this seems clear. His lusts were for
>money and power, (sex comes a poor third?). Scientology indulges these
>lusts, in addition to this his novels (eg, Battlefield Earth), express in
>fantasy his lust for conspiracy, revenge and power.
>But clearly he is no match for someone like Hitler, whose lust for power is
>deadly, exact and brilliant. The Nazi SA was a Nazi army in waiting,
>designed to replace the German army upon the seizure of the state. This
>actually created a problem for Hitler upon the seizure of power, that the
>SA under Roehm expected to take over or become the army power. Hitler wasnt
>ready for this, as the German Army represented the only force that could
>challenge him. His solution? The night of the long knives, to murder Roehm
>and his followers and a thousand others. The army was grateful but
>enslaved.

In real term you are right, but I view the danger of
ideologies as equally dangerous, whether it is Hitler's,
Hubbard's, Ayatholah (sp?), or anything else. Fanatical
ideologies or counter-ideologies are the problem. It would be
blindness for us to dismiss the fact that it could happen today.
They just take on new forms. I think Scn is one of them, but
then I also think that the zeal of the counter-movement can
bring about the very same dire consequences just as well. The
psychological mechanism behind discrimination is a subtle and
unconscious one, in which the person justifies to himself its
validity, while blinding himself about other aspects that would
contradict his unconscious purpose.

In dealing with the threat that Scn represent, one has to
keep a cool head and keep things in proportion. The biggest
mistake one can do in this respect is start to accept exceptions
to the fundamental principles edicted by a free society. The
"immediate" reaction to a threat as represented in its worst
aspect, is to start taking on fascist measures to "protect"
democracy. It just doesn't work that way. Democracy is never
protected by hysterical and fascist measures.

>Hubbard set up his Sea Org, complete with snazzy uniforms, but it is
>regarded as a joke by every serious politician. Hubbard was a madman, like
>Koos.

Exactly - which makes the Germans reaction completely
unwarranted. They can debunk the ideology and protest the abuse
all they want, but to use the power of the State in
discriminatory manner is awfully wrong. The denial of rights of
those we consider as unworthy is a tricky business, because
tomorrow someone can decide that we are the unworthy ones.

>>The Germany-Scientology thing has absolutely nothing to do with
>>religion/philosophy or system of belief or anything of that kind.

Sorry, but the Germany-Scientology thing *is* a matter or
religion/philosophy system of belief. Scientologists are
discriminated upon based on their belonging to an hated class.
You may squeamish around saying "no it's because of their
action". It is not true. What is the criteria on which the
*individuals* are judged? What action *by_this_individual* is
being reproached to him? Nothing. His mere allegiance to a
particular religion/philosophy is the criteria used. That makes
it a question of discrimination base on religion/philosophy or
system of belief.

Bernie

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