Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Wolf <wolft...@micron.net>
Date: 1998/05/30
Subject: Re: Is it true?
Starshadow wrote: This I understand. Perception is everything. The mindset of > In article <35650A40....@micron.net>, wolft...@micron.net says... > > Starshadow wrote: > > > In article <35634BCD.1...@micron.net>, wolft...@micron.net says... > In that case so do we all. I think that what was done amounts to de-programming allows one to see more or less ordinary occurances in very stark B&W terms. > > What you've seen are things posted on this ng that have been claimed to I hate to split hairs, but it's my specialty. I'll acknowledge that some > > be from peoples folders. Common sense (of which I have copious amounts) > > would tell you that after millions of hours of auditing, somebody, > > somewhere is bound to scan a few folders looking for dirt. It happens in > > Law offices, psychiatric offices, doctors offices all the time. But to > > make a point: *Scientology* does not utilize the confidental contents of > > pc folders for blackmail. > I do not believe that. And I assure you that in the above professions, in the GO/OSA power circle may have culled data from folders. By pointing out that professionals have been accused and found guilty in other arenas of similar breaches in confidence I'm not attempting to lessen what may have been done by GO people. In either instance it's contemptable. But a mental health professional or attorney who violates confidentiality doesn't make all his/her peers guilty by association. Nor does the random act by a GO/OSA member. *Scientology* doesn't use pc folders to blackmail anymore than *psychiatry* uses session notes to blackmail. > Grady Ward's mother was called on by Ingram who stole photos of her My mother - who is an ex-Scn - had a visit 18 months ago from OSA > son. There are lots of others so harassed right here on this ng, why not > ask them?? > Oh, I forgot. We are all droids and bigots, can't trust us. people. They were looking for an individual who shared her residence and had been involved with some German reporters. How to interpret that visit? Harrassment? Covert Ops? Intimidation? I don't know... how about 2 people who represented the CofS knocking on a door and asking questions about a matter that concerned their group? The freedom of movement and speech that we still have in this country does not exclude CofS and they have the same right to move about, ask questions and investigate matters they deem of significance as ARS'ers have to picket or drop into an org and ask some 17 year old receptionist about BT's. My mother was initially perurbed by the visit, but after to speaking to her at length and asking her exactly what the people asked and their manner she concluded that she had overreacted. Was this reaction due, in part, to her occassional ARS lurking and the spin of this group? Certainly. She has not since heard a word from OSA... even though they are well aware she is a highly trained auditor who remains critical of the CofS mngmnt. I have other friends who have experienced visits from OSA people and who > > Me too. Thankfully no such cults exist in our fair land. Lisa McPherson apparently died while on the introspection R/D. That > Lisa McPherson killed by application of the Introspection Rundown. disregard for her health and even malicious mistreatment was rendered by the three main players in this sad occurance seems obvious. Are they guilty of manslaughter? That's for the courts to decide. Do I think so. Yes. Based upon what I have heard and seen this seems to be the case. Asserting that she was killed by the introspection rundown is the worst sort of demonization and proves nothing about Scn. More to the point, it proves that many critics are full of hype, bigotry and prejudice which they hide under the fuzzy blanket of concern about the evil cult. > > > > that ARS is gradually evolving into the very same thing it's main First we have the 'witch' problem, now we're relying on karmic wheels. > > > > speakers say they hate about Scientology. But since you're already a > > > > cultie, you wouldn't have noticed. > Pot, kettle, black, is that it? Tit for tat? Though, strictly Might I point out gently Starshadow that belief in such things is as weird as belief in BT's and evil SF space empires? > > > Right, we are all in a cult. You know about as much of that as you do Ouch! That hurt. Where's that freedom of speech and adherence to the > > > about me, hence you defining me as a "subgenius". Who do you think is > > > *our* noble cult leader? Xenu? Minton? The Evil Zombie Psyche Lords? > > Right now Starshadow, there is a power struggle in the ARS Cult. Erlich > Yeah, well you aren't in the ARSCC9wdne) so you don't get a vote. So laws, not to mention the loathing of secret cult power structures you all claim to have? Despite my non-participation in the non-existant mngmnt of ARS, shouldn't I also be allowed to examine it's workings? Or are the non-members worried about what prying eyes may discover? ;) > > > > > and that they never defend, they always attack. Stupid people don't rake in hundreds of millions of dollars per year. > > > > Well, pass. It's policy. A good one too, evidenced by the fact that > > > It sure makes showing their idiocy easier. Non-confront and all that. > > I disagree. There's a world of difference between failing to confront > Well, Wolf, when they claim they have *all* the answers and then refuse Nor do they allegedly coerce the largest gov't agency we have into giving them a break. Nor do they have international operations of an impressive scope. What stupid people do is consistently underestimate their opponents and when faced with one defeat after another, re-spin the experiences into a false win over the *stupid* opponent. Competitively speaking, my current business has survived 16 years of assualts by better financed, better schooled and better located opponents. They're gone. I'm thriving. To the man, each one of them figured they could whip me because they viewed my style of operating as stupid and old-fashioned. In my defense, I restrained myself from a malicious grin and evil peal of laughter when I cut their fucking hearts out. I am a compassionate and caring soul..... > > I wish you ARS cultists would get it through your skulls... wgert, Huh? Did you snooze through history class? I'm not suggesting ARS isn't > > gunny, whip and the rest aren't major assets of the CofS. They're > > grunts. Foot soldiers. They don't know dick about what the RTC is up to. > > The threat of any enemy can be determined by the quality of the assets > > sent against it. Erlich, Henson, Wollersheim did, at one point, present > > a threat. That's why bigger guns were brought into play. You guys get > > wgert. Which shows how much impact ARS has had in the last four years. > Why do we need any foot soldiers at all? Why does a religion need foot a threat. What I _am_ suggesting is that CofS doesn't see it as a great threat right now. You'll know whn they do, of that you can be sure. > We covered that topic in email, so I won't reiterate here, except to If you and I keep up this way we'll find we're in agreement on way too > say that joking and degrading is part and parcel of my attitude, but I > don't usually engage in looksism, as a general belief in not throwing > stones in glass houses. I'm no little fairy foot. More like the great > white whale...(like I said, though, Goddesses are Not Anorexic!!) many things to be sworn enemies. I'm an advocate of the high value of J&D. As for the assertion that Goddesses are large... well.... I consider that a delicate subject so I'll refrain from comment. > > > But for one who claims to have read a number of my posts and yet still I noticed that a long time ago. Now if I just just figure out how the > > > makes a fundemental mistake like thinking (for one) I'm a Sub-Genius, you > > > aren't looking as rational as you'd like. > > Now I never said *I* was rational, just that my thought processes are. I > > Wolf > Flattery will get you everywhere, Wolf. hell to flatter Dave Bird...... Wolf You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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