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Diane Richardson  
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 More options May 30 2000, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: refe...@bway.net (Diane Richardson)
Date: 2000/05/30
Subject: Re: Bob Minton gets Human Rights Award in Germany
On Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:34 +0200, Thomas Gandow

<gan...@is.in-berlin.de> wrote:

>Diane Richardson schrieb:

>> On Mon, 29 May 2000 12:13:23 +0200, Thomas Gandow
>> <gan...@is.in-berlin.de> wrote:

>> >Diane Richardson schrieb:
>> >> On Fri, 26 May 2000 22:05:33 +0200, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman
>> >> Hausherr) wrote:
>> >> >On Fri, 26 May 2000 17:13:12 GMT, refe...@bway.net wrote in
>> >> ><392eaca6.12326...@enews.newsguy.com>:
>> >> >>On Fri, 26 May 2000 16:58:34 +0200, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman
>> >> >>Hausherr) wrote:
>> >> >>>On Thu, 25 May 2000 20:53:42 GMT, refe...@bway.net wrote in
>> >> >>><392d9266.24981...@enews.newsguy.com>:

>> >> >>What has Robert S. Minton done to render "distinguished service on
>> >> >>behalf of West European unification, humanity and world peace"?

>> >Here is the answer:
>> >Bob Minton, steered by his courage and sense of civil duty, has
>> >distinguished himself in human rights in the USA and around the world by
>> >his involvement with the persecuted minority of former Scientology
>> >Organization (SO) members who have been attacked by the SO, and with
>> >U.S. society, which is at risk to the totalitarian influences of the SO.

>> And just what does this have to do with Western European unification?

>We live now ten Years after.
>There is no "Wester European Unification, but a European Union.

That is correct.  How, exactly, has Robert S. Minton encouraged the
European Union?

>> >By our recognition, we wish to show our support for the American people
>> >and to put an end to human rights
>> >violations which are being committed by the Scientology Organization
>> >against citizens of the USA and other
>> >countries.

>> And just what does this have to do with Western European unification?

>See above. It is our european concern, f.e. when the president of an
>allied country is writing articles for a totalitarion cults magazin.

I do not know what "president of an allied country" you are referring
to.  Would you care to be more specific?  The president of which
allied country?  What "totalitarian cults magazin" has this unnamed
"president of an allied country" written articles for?  Specifics,
please (that is, if you have any).

>> >One mor notion: There is now no West European Unification, but only one
>> >Europe, and severral countries, not only in Western Europe, have
>> >problems with the totalitarian Scientology-Organisation.

>> And what has Bob Minton done to further the unification of Europe?
>We will see, how the event we will celebrate on saturday will not only
>strenghten european unity towards Scientology, but also tranatlantic
>cooperation to end totalitarian influence on politics.  

Perhaps you will see something; I doubt if many others will see
anything but a group of fanatical right-wing nuts making a spectacle
of themselves.  All in the name of Jesus, no doubt.

>> >> >>>There is an official
>> >> >>>charlemagne award which goes to Bill Clinton, for his contributions to
>> >> >>>human rights. (hahahaha!!!!)

>> >Hier is an exerpt of the Official "Urkunde".
>> >http://194.245.36.141/karlspreis2000/urkundentext.htm
>> >It reads like this:
>> >In Würdigung der partnerschaftlichen Zusammenarbeit
>> >mit den europäischen Staaten zur Erweiterung und Vertiefung der Union,
>> >der *Wahrung der Menschenrechte und der Freiheit*,
>> >sowie als Dank der Europäer an das amerikanische Volk für
>> >den Aufbau der Demokratie und des Wohlstandes nach 1945.

>> >>  I still
>> >> find your disparagement of President Clinton offensive.

>> >The "Aachen Charlemagne Award" was meant to distinguish people who
>> >*promote* democracy, human rights and the common values of Europe.
>> >The prize is bestowed yearly "for the most valuable contribution in the
>> >service of the European Union,  and for community work in the service of
>> >humanity and world peace."

>> Just what has Minton contributed "in the service of the European
>> Union"?
>Have You not got the point, that all european countries do not like
>totalitarian SO?

You've made that point quite clear, "reverend."  What is not at all
clear is how awarding a bogus "prize" to a person who flagrantly
publicizes his adultery, offends women with his obscene remarks,
and shows absolutely no regard for humanity in any form is somehow
supposed to be considered a role model.  Perhaps those who profess
Christianity in Germany have a different take on Christian values.  Is
that it?

As a minister of the gospel can you honestly encourage others to
take as a role model a man who has made the following comments
(and others like them) to women who have done him no harm?

The man [appearing as "Mittens" in the presence of numerous
witnesses] has stated:

<Mittens> Lick the dog shit form my shows you fucking cult whore
<Mittens> Deana shut the fuck up you foul bitch
<Mittens> Karl Kluge can suck my asshole
<Mittens> Diane, I fuck you in the ear and puke on your pock marked
face you slut
<Mittens> Suck my dog shit Deana
<Mittens> Diane but i keep you ass my ass licker too
<Mittens> innie/vagina/cunt/field of Venus is an occassionally useful
description of the four horsewomen
<Mittens> if my ear were a cunt I could fuck it!
<Mittens> Whose cock was so long he could suck it
<barb> Some people just cant seem to ignore bob
<Mittens> Barb, they worship me
<barb> I know. they wish they WERE you
<Mittens> fuck off Diane she won't speak to a cunt like you
<Mittens> Darnitrol you stupid cocksucker Don't cum back
<Mittens> Diane lick the dog shit off of my boots
<Mittens> Diane you suck the cock of your principles
<Mittens> bivalve and Diane suck the cock of each others principles
<Mittens> well guys, i'm gonna leave you in peace while I go fuck some
OSA whores :-)

Is this the kind of man you want your children to grow up imitating?
Is this the kind of language you preach in your pulpit?  Is this the
spirit you wish the world to embrace and honor?

If you wish to see more of the language by the man you honor
as a role model worthy of emulation by others, I will gladly provide
it for you.  There are many, many people here who have witnessed
such behavior from this man you choose to honor.

>Heve You not read the resolutions of european parlament?

I have had the experience of this "role model" tossing vile, offensive
taunts at numerous women.  This is the man you wish to honor as a
role model.  I spit on your award, sir, and I spit on your notion of
"human rights."

>> >Certainly promotion of Scientology is against the will and interest of
>> >all european states, see reports about the Scientology-Problems in
>> >Spain, Italy, France, Germany Russia to mention only a few.

>> >If a foreign government furthers and promotes an organisation in Your
>> >country, which You and Your government and the European Council and the
>> >european Parlament see as conflictous if not criminal and against
>> >constitution is that a valuable contribution in the service of European
>> >Union or mixing in internal affairs?

>> No foreign government is furthering and promoting Scientology.
>I guess, You write from the United States. Therefore You are right.
>But sorry, from my perspective, the Clinton Administration is a foreign
>government.

Would you kindly provide evidence that the Clinton Adminstration is
"furthering and promoting Scientology"?  

>> >And even if Scientology was a religion, is promotion of a "religion" by
>> >President and State Department not against Your own Constitution or the
>> >First Amendement?

>> The President and State Department are not promoting Scientology.

>So?

So, you are in error, sir.  If you choose to make such accusations you
should expect to be challenged to defend them.

>Probably You should buy a newspaper or at least read "Freedom magazin"

I read the New York Times daily, sir.  I'd suggest you read something
a little more objective than "Freedom magazin."  I find it biased and
untruthful.  If you choose to use "Freedom magazin" as your source of
news, you are surely in worse shape than I thought.

>> Did you really just come up with this
>> just because
>> Minton's name rhymes with Clinton's?

>It's funny, isn't it?

I don't find it funny at all.  

>> I find this whole charade to be a horrifically unsophisticated public
>> relations effort

>But it works.

It certainly isn't working here.  Perhaps the good citizens of Leipzig
are less discriminating than people in the rest of the world.

>> that reveals just how narrow-minded anticultists can
>> become.  
>Why complaining, when the other side makes a point?

The only point you have made, sir, is that you -- as a minister
of the gospel -- are encouraging people to emulate the behavior
of a man who has proven to be violent, abusive, and profane.
If that's the sort of "religion" you preach from your pulpit, I want
no part of it.

>> Perhaps you feel Scientology is the greatest threat to
>> humankind, but you're not going to convince many others

>Time will show. Nazism lasted 12 Years. Communism started 70 Years and
>ruled 70 Years. Stupid totalitarin Systems have no chance in history.

Of course they don't.  And no matter how hard you try to turn the
"pig's ear" named Robert S. Minton into a "silk purse," you're going
to still end up with pig all over yourself.

I sincerely hope you are not typical of the rest of the German clergy.

Diane Richardson
refe...@bway.net

>> Diane Richardson
>> refe...@bway.net

>Why so nervous Diane?

I'm not nervous at all, "reverend."  I'm curious, however, as to how
a minister can encourage people to say things like:  

        <Mittens> Suck my dog shit Deana

Is that something you have your congregation recite in unison in
honor of your hero?

>Thomas Gandow


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