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 More options Jul 8 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: starshad...@mindless.com (Starshadow)
Date: 1998/07/08
Subject: Re: shills
In article <6num5e$7v...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, mor...@gte.net says...

> In article <MPG.100b630518d65331989...@nntp.lightlink.com>,
>   starshad...@mindless.com (Starshadow) wrote:

> > In article <6ns25k$27...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, mor...@gte.net says...
> > > And now we have Claire and John and Bernie trying bravely to make nothing of
> > > the huborg policies on the abominable practice of disconnection. This effort,
> > > perhaps, is to influence new readers of the NG to believe that these policies
> > > are just imposed in extreme cases wherein no communication can solve problems
> > > between family members or friends. Their statements in this regard are
> > > BULLSHIT! Disconnection is routine and ruthless. btw, Warrior, you are one OT
> > > dude. I checked out the Seattle phone book and found John J. and Claire M.
> > > Swazey. Looks like your "guess" was good as gold.

> >   My belief is that they haven't experienced its pervasiveness, not that
> > they are lying. Just my guess. But what does that have to do with them
> > being in the phone book?  What difference does that make?

> You are entitled to believe what you like. Claire has said that she was a
> staff member, and that she has been associated with several orgs. It is NOT
> Possible that she has not experienced the pervasiveness of disconnection.

> >   I mean, they've already admitted that they are in Seattle. So what is
> > the big deal here, trying to get people to call them up or what? What is
> > the purpose here?  I don't like it when the Scns do this kind of thing,
> > and I also don't like it when the critics do it.

> I must have missed their message in which they admitted that they are in
> Seattle. If they did so, then what is the big deal about my saying that they
> are in the Seattle phone book? My sole purpose was to tweek them a little.
> You don't like it? I don't care whether you like it or not. I have a daughter
> who disconnected from me. I can assure you that she was not a victim of child
> abuse, nor did she suffer any other outrageous upbringing. The number of
> parents who have lost children to the cult are legion. Until you are among
> their number, then back off. Had I wanted people to call them, I would have
> posted the telephone number. I might post it yet, if I feel like it. Your
> pleasure is totally immaterial to me. I will point out that Claire gets her
> stats up for causing so called critics to flame each other. Perhaps you like
> that?

  You know, you are the one flaming here. If you are so angry you are
willing to strike out at anyone who disagrees with you, no matter their
purpose, then we really have no possible way of communicating on this
matter. you have your mind made up, and that is obviously that.

  But I'm not going to back off on this one. I stated that I don't like
outing, or threatened outing, when Scns do it, and I don't like it when
critics do it. No difference.

  You apparently want to shut up any possible way of dialogue with any
'fessed Scn member, and that is your problem. You aren't being very
discriminating in your targets.

   But this is Usenet, do carry on. As will I.

> jana

> >    The Swazeys have been pretty straightforward, insofar as they are
> > willing to endure questions about their beliefs and the org those beliefs
> > support. I disagree with their support of the "church", but would much
> > rather address those aspects which I am in disagreement with, when in
> > communication with someone willing to show respect to me as a poster, and
> > indeed to most critics. I'm not saying don't ask them the hard questions,
> > I'm asking what relevance their phone number has to this. I just don't
> > like it.

> > > jana

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> > --
> >   Bright Blessings,

> >  Starshadow SP4, Granny Dyke

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  Bright Blessings,

 Starshadow SP4, Granny Dyke


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