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 More options Aug 1 1997, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology, soc.culture.german
From: b...@arcadis.be (Bernie)
Date: 1997/08/01
Subject: Re: Case study: Kathleen Wilson

n...@petermc.demon.co.uk (Peter McDermott) wrote in article
<B007E49596681B8...@0.0.0.0>:

>In article <343131e0.458535...@snews.zippo.com>,
>b...@arcadis.be (Bernie) wrote:
>>That may be, but for one who *may* commit these acts, and who
>>*may* go through the normal security measures instituted for
>>these jobs, you are discriminating on thousand, ten of thousand
>>others on the whole range of public services. The crime of these
>>thousand and ten of thousand? To believe that we could live in a
>>better world and that human betterment is possible.
>Ah. In much the same way as most communists. I take it you believe
>that all of the discrimination by the US government against
>communists was also wrong?

I do, even though we deal here with a problem from state to
state (or political system) and the entry of foreign citizens.
In the case of Bavaria, we deal with state to religion and of
the rights of citizens within this state. Nevertheless, I do
think the questionnaire the US had to prevent communists from
entering the country was absurd, useless, and discriminatory,
and I think the ACLU though that too, didn't they?

>In fact, the crime *isn't* believing in a better world, its
>active membership of a corrupt criminal organization that
>has continuously sought to undermine the democratic system -
>by attempting to stifle free speech, and by using moles
>planted in various official positions to facilitate access
>to information that they aren't entitled to.

Maybe, but Scientologists don't view it that way. They will feel
they are being discriminated just because of their belief, and I
think that this is what it amounts to. To put a questionnaire
will *not* stop the real spy, Peter. It will only stop those who
are genuinely thinking they pursue a belief system of their
choice and who are honest enough to declare it on the form.

>So it isn't true that these people are discriminated against.
>The truth is that their continued involvement in the cult
>shows that they are either conscious of these crimes and
>therefore corrupt, or unconscious of them, and therefore
>stupid. Either quality is enough to reasonably debar someone
>from such employment.

Do you really think that every members are willfully
participating in the corrupt actions of the COS? Is it your
experience that Scientologists are usually stupid people? What
about ex-Scn? Do think Dennis Erlich, Martin Hunt, Monica
Pignotti, Joe Harrington, are stupid people? Or do you think
that the mere fact that they quit the CofS made them all of a
sudden bright? Do you think John Travolta, Chick Corea, or any
of the many Scn celebrities are anymore stupid than a German
civil servant?

A great quantity of Scientologists aren't stupid, Peter, nor are
they willfully or consciously cooperating in corrupt acts. As a
matter of fact, many of them have quit the CofS because they
were asked to participate in or became aware of the corrupt
aspect of the CofS. Do you want the Bavarian measure to be
applied to these type of persons as well?

Bernie


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