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 More options Jun 1 1998, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: b...@arcadis.be (Bernie)
Date: 1998/06/01
Subject: Re: One less scientologist in the world

On 01 Jun 1998 00:35:48 GMT, , lilalex...@aol.com (LilAlex742) wrote:

>>You create your own reality every second. The separation
>>between the external reality and the internal one is an illusion.

>I disagree.  I don't create any reality.  Rather, I experience reality and am a
>part of reality.  My experience is a subset of my existence.  

YMMV. You create it every second, but you don't realize it. It's like
breathing. It goes on all the time. We are not usually aware of
breathing either, unless we put our attention on it. To become aware
on how you constantly create your own reality would involve a drastic
raise in consciousness.

>>It's
>>an illusion we need to maintain, though, because intellectually we
>>cannot conceive of the relationship.

> It is not an illusion, but a necessity of biological survival.  If you want a
>vivid example of how "what is currently Bernie" is an existing state and not an
>illusion, try breathing under water.

The illusion is at another level.

>>The separation actually allows us
>>to become self-conscious, because awareness learns to distinguish
>>between "what is me" and "what is not me", but that's just at the
>>early stage. At a later stage, we need to free ourselves from this
>>illusion, to realize how everything is really interdependent and how
>>there is no real separation between, say, you and me.
>But, Bernie, there is a separation between you and me.  You are wherever you
>are, I'm wherever I am.    Consciousness may simply be a point of reference, or
>a path of trajectory, or whatever, but they are >different< points of
>references or paths of trajectory.  While the set of things that define me from
>beginning to end have much in common with the sets of things that define a lamp
>post from its beginning to end or Steve Guttenberg from his beginning to end,
>all have--to varying degrees--much in common, they are not in fact the same.

It all depends of the level from which you view thing. You are right
at the level from which you speak, but I refer to something else.

>There is a distinct set of ME, however tenuous, and, therefore, boundaries that
>define that set in the same way that banks define rivers or rivers define
>banks.  To say that there is no difference between a river and its bank, or
>matter and energy, or life and death, to say that "all things are one," is
>quite lofty and Buddha-like, and quite a calming thing to remember when you
>have trouble getting your mortgage payment together, but really doesn't have
>any value beyond that.    

So you say.

Bernie
--
If you really mean to reform Scn and it's mngmnt
you won't accomplish it with charges of brainwashing,
fools and a dead man's ego (Wolf)


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