I am writing this from my perspective and based on my experiences, and no one else's. I have noticed a great deal of coverage and concern on the subject of disconnection and Scientologists. Here's what I know about it:
Disconnection would be primarily used when someone one is associated with is antagonistic to the individual Scientologist. Maybe because of his involvement in Scn, or it could be for any other reason in which the Scn'ologist is being given a very bad time to the point where they are absolutely miserable. The individual is encouraged to work things out and communicate with whoever it is he isn't getting along with. That's where the biggest emphasis is. Disconnection should only be used as a last resort where nothing else is going to work.
I have seen postings here where you folks have recounted things you heard where people were disconnected from where the implications were that this was being used as emotional blackmail (as in: if you don't believe what I believe and be a member of the group I'm a member of,I'm going to have nothing to do with you) A particularly poignant example was one Andreas quoted from, I believe, the Op Clambake guestbook, where a woman told him that her husband had disconnected from their two young children because they weren't scn'ologists. 3 possibilities arise that I can see:
1) Didn't happen. 2) Did happen,but there were missing facts. 3) Happened exactly as purported.
For the purposes of this posting, I will go with possibility #3. If this is the case, then Daddy is an absolute creep,using emotional blackmail and/or an excuse to not see his kids. (I have known so many divorced parents where once the divorce and custody hearing were over the mom who got custody & her child(ren)never heard from daddy dearest again.Utterly amazing to me that some people do not want to see their kids, and I know this does not happen all the time, but it apparently does happen) Maybe Daddy dearest was trying to hurt his exwife by hurting the kids.This makes him even more of a creep. He probably was a creep before he ever became a Scn'ologist.
In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
>I am writing this from my perspective and based on my experiences, and >no one else's. I have noticed a great deal of coverage and concern on >the subject of disconnection and Scientologists. Here's what I know >about it:
>Disconnection would be primarily used when someone one is associated >with is antagonistic to the individual Scientologist. Maybe because of >his involvement in Scn, or it could be for any other reason in which the >Scn'ologist is being given a very bad time to the point where they are >absolutely miserable. The individual is encouraged to work things out >and communicate with whoever it is he isn't getting along with. That's >where the biggest emphasis is. Disconnection should only be used as a >last resort where nothing else is going to work.
>I have seen postings here where you folks have recounted things you >heard where people were disconnected from where the implications were >that this was being used as emotional blackmail (as in: if you don't >believe what I believe and be a member of the group I'm a member of,I'm >going to have nothing to do with you) A particularly poignant example >was one Andreas quoted from, I believe, the Op Clambake guestbook, where >a woman told him that her husband had disconnected from their two young >children because they weren't scn'ologists. 3 possibilities arise that >I can see:
>1) Didn't happen. >2) Did happen,but there were missing facts. >3) Happened exactly as purported.
>For the purposes of this posting, I will go with possibility #3. If this >is the case, then Daddy is an absolute creep,using emotional blackmail >and/or an excuse to not see his kids. (I have known so many divorced >parents where once the divorce and custody hearing were over the mom who >got custody & her child(ren)never heard from daddy dearest again.Utterly >amazing to me that some people do not want to see their kids, and I know >this does not happen all the time, but it apparently does happen) Maybe >Daddy dearest was trying to hurt his exwife by hurting the kids.This >makes him even more of a creep. He probably was a creep before he ever >became a Scn'ologist.
>In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm >scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by >a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no >secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a >relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, >and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have >NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the >different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? >Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement >with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are >proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
>Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a >family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
> All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no >one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the >motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are >not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, >where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her >religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these >religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But >one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to >hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to >the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians >would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
>End of sermon.
>Claire
Thanks for the sermon Claire. I do know abuses of the 'disconnection' policy. And to tell you the truth that's what first got me interested enough in Scientology to make me an opponent.
I've been aware of Scientology since the 60s, along with a lot of other cults (and yes, I do mean it's a cult)
I didn't mind. I like people who are non-standard. When I came back from Germany in the early 80s (after having gotten my instruction from #11 of the evil psych-lords who rule the planet) I happened to read a book by Norman Spinrad, 'The Mind Game', which while science fiction was about a cult that was a thinly disguised copy of Scientology.
This book predated such fun stuff as Operation Snow White and Xenu and all of the other horrors that are now well known.
It was even fairly sympathetic. But after 10 years or more it is still a very good description of what I consider why I have to oppose Scientology.
I think that 'The Mind Game' and '1984' should be required reading for all, and scientologists in particular.
If you have read '1984' then I'd ask you to reflect on it, and while you haven't seen the horrors that scientology has and continues to perpetrate, believe me.. they did happen and continue to happen.
Especially consider 'Newspeak' and what purpose it served.
regards Zinj
-- I don't believe in the tech; think it's rubbish; think Hubbard was a megalomaniac who in the end was eaten by the demons he released. Don't forget - Last Rat off the Ship Goes to Jail
In article <35967D59.FCF84...@home.com>, Claire Swazey <swa...@home.com> wrote:
<snip>
> In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm > scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by > a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no > secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a > relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, > and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have > NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the > different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? > Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement > with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are > proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
I appreciate your thoughtful analysis of CoS's disconnection policy.
Your implication, though, is that if your family were antagonistic toward CoS, the church would require that you choose between leaving your faith and disconnecting from your family (after the obligatory efforts to try to turn your family around). That's been my understanding of the disconnection policy; please tell me if I'm wrong.
Forcing an individual to make such a choice seems horrible. If the person actually believes that his spiritual future -- or salvation -- or whatever it is that's so vitally important to him -- is at stake, and the organization providing that much-valued service demands disconnection from family ... well, you can see how the policy creeps some of us out.
Scientology does have a reputation for ripping families apart. If indeed it forces parishioners to disconnect from their families when the family remains antagonistic to the church, that reputation is well-earned.
> Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a > family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
> All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no > one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the > motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are > not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, > where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her > religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these > religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But > one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to > hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to > the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians > would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
But the disconnection policy, even as you describe it in its proper implementation, doesn't sound like a good idea. It sounds like a very sad thing.
>I am writing this from my perspective and based on my experiences, and >no one else's. I have noticed a great deal of coverage and concern on >the subject of disconnection and Scientologists. Here's what I know >about it:
>Disconnection would be primarily used when someone one is associated >with is antagonistic to the individual Scientologist. Maybe because of >his involvement in Scn, or it could be for any other reason in which the >Scn'ologist is being given a very bad time to the point where they are >absolutely miserable. The individual is encouraged to work things out >and communicate with whoever it is he isn't getting along with. That's >where the biggest emphasis is. Disconnection should only be used as a >last resort where nothing else is going to work.
>I have seen postings here where you folks have recounted things you >heard where people were disconnected from where the implications were >that this was being used as emotional blackmail (as in: if you don't >believe what I believe and be a member of the group I'm a member of,I'm >going to have nothing to do with you) A particularly poignant example >was one Andreas quoted from, I believe, the Op Clambake guestbook, where >a woman told him that her husband had disconnected from their two young >children because they weren't scn'ologists. 3 possibilities arise that >I can see:
>1) Didn't happen. >2) Did happen,but there were missing facts. >3) Happened exactly as purported.
>For the purposes of this posting, I will go with possibility #3. If this >is the case, then Daddy is an absolute creep,using emotional blackmail >and/or an excuse to not see his kids. (I have known so many divorced >parents where once the divorce and custody hearing were over the mom who >got custody & her child(ren)never heard from daddy dearest again.Utterly >amazing to me that some people do not want to see their kids, and I know >this does not happen all the time, but it apparently does happen) Maybe >Daddy dearest was trying to hurt his exwife by hurting the kids.This >makes him even more of a creep. He probably was a creep before he ever >became a Scn'ologist.
>In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm >scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by >a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no >secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a >relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, >and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have >NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the >different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? >Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement >with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are >proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
>Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a >family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
> All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no >one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the >motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are >not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, >where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her >religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these >religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But >one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to >hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to >the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians >would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
>End of sermon.
>Claire ></PRE></HTML>
Your Ideas of disconnection are silly. Why do you think that Hubbard called the person PTS or Potential Trouble Source if they didn't disconnect from an SP? Because the entheta or truth they learned from that SP might influence them away from Hubbard and his beliefs and cause problems for Scientology.
Hubbard's maxim, of a third unknown person can only start an argument amongst two people is a case in point. If Hubbard took you by the arm and told you his side of the story, as long as you never heard the other guys story you would believe Hubbard right? So this PTS and Disconnection and almost every thing else I have seen in Hubbard's jargon has to do with separating the individual from other people's ideas and that my friend is what makes Scientology brainwashing and a cult. . . __ In Xenu We Trust..... A does equal A, does equal A, does equal A. What was Hubbie trying to say?..... ." Life is a cartoon." Howard Stern while referring to Lisa Marie Presley's involvement with Co$.
>> In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm >> scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by >> a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no >> secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a >> relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, >> and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have >> NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the >> different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? >> Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement >> with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are >> proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
>I appreciate your thoughtful analysis of CoS's disconnection policy.
>Your implication, though, is that if your family were antagonistic toward >CoS, the church would require that you choose between leaving your faith >and disconnecting from your family (after the obligatory efforts to try to >turn your family around). That's been my understanding of the >disconnection policy; please tell me if I'm wrong.
>Forcing an individual to make such a choice seems horrible. If the person >actually believes that his spiritual future -- or salvation -- or whatever >it is that's so vitally important to him -- is at stake, and the >organization providing that much-valued service demands disconnection from >family ... well, you can see how the policy creeps some of us out.
>Scientology does have a reputation for ripping families apart. If indeed >it forces parishioners to disconnect from their families when the family >remains antagonistic to the church, that reputation is well-earned.
>> Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a >> family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
>> All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no >> one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the >> motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are >> not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, >> where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her >> religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these >> religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But >> one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to >> hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to >> the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians >> would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
>But the disconnection policy, even as you describe it in its proper >implementation, doesn't sound like a good idea. It sounds like a very sad >thing.
>Tash
Actually Tash.. I think that the disconnection policy is fairly common in all cults.. and they became religions.
It's certainly why I began disliking scientology.. but I also had a problem when my kid brought back his books from school, one of which was 'Come Follow Me'
This was a parochial school.. and when I saw the title I did a double take.
and I made a joke about it.. my mom.. who at that point was doing double duty as grandmother/mom of a son who lives at home with his kid didn't understand my joke
My father did.. for a straight arrow he always had an evil sense of humor
the full quote is this Leave your wife and your family, and come follow me
Zinj
-- I don't believe in the tech; think it's rubbish; think Hubbard was a megalomaniac who in the end was eaten by the demons he released. Don't forget - Last Rat off the Ship Goes to Jail
CoS' theoretical ideals sound nice, and are certainly sometimes practiced in members' experience, but here is a repost of an interesting case of forced disconnection for only the flimsiest of connections -- and possibly simply for the purpose of punishing non-CoS outsiders designated SPs, by causing them to suffer family disruptions -- apparently ordered at some of the highest levels of CoS.
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Subject: Relative of CBS-Mike Wallace ordered by Co$ to disconnect From: Martin Ottmann <martinottm...@yahoo.com> Date: 1998/05/19 Message-ID: <19980519115254.5016.rocketmail@send1c.yahoomail.com> Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
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The following is the content of a letter which was sent to Mary Voegeding, Senior Executive of the "Flag Service Organization" in Clearwater. The grammar and language shows that being a Scientologist doesn't give you automatically better "communication skills".
If anyone wants to forward a xerox-copy of this letter to Mike Wallace, please send me your snail mail adress and you'll get one.
Here it comes:
Feb. 1, '98
To: President, Mary Vogstin (sic) [Voegeding] CC: MAA, Re: Rondi Leonard CC: OSA From: Gloria Tinney
Re: Rondi Leonard, Solo NOTS Certainty auditor, being told that she must disconnect from her mother-in-Iaw, Kappy Leonard because Kappy was once married to Mike Wallace, CBS news "60 minutes" news correspondent.
Dear Mary,
The re is a potential flap going on concerning the above, Rondi Leonard is my ex-husband's wife and is my daughter's step mother. The situation, because Rondi has been at Flag now for 4 weeks at the MAA and has not been able to continue her 6 months refresher and as a result this has gotten onto my daughter Noelle's lines who I have been handling and it violates KSW -ie. There is a misapplication of the tech going on here re: this situation in my opinion. I'll explain why: Kappy Leonard, Rondi's "step" mother-in-law and her husband Ardy's step mother, has not spoken to Mike Wallace in years. She had a son by him, Chris Wallace who she sees regularly but she hasn't and does not wish to be in comm with Mike Wallace at all. Rondi never has any contacts with Mike Wallace at all and has maybe seen Chris Wallace his son twice in 20 yrs. Chris Wallace is _not_ in any way antagonistic to Rondi or Ardy about Scientology. Kappy is "interested" in Scientology and has asked Rondi about the meter as well as offering to take Rondi to the founding church to see the renovations (Kappy lives in Washington, DC). Rondi and Kappy are in good"_ARC_". Rondi should not be asked to disconnect from a family member this violates PTS tech of what LRH says about family disconnection. If Rondi disconnects from her step mother-in-law this is sure to create antagonism and bring attention to the fact that she is doing so. It could create a vacuum effect which all manner of A=A=A be filled into the vacuum by family members such as Kappy or Chris Wallace. It can make matters worse for us as a group as for Rondi and her family. They cd (sic) [could] think that Rondi is being forced into this =brainwashing= occults, etc. etc. This would make the church look "bad." Rondi has been on the Solo NOTS Certainty level now for a year and is setting a good example for the family as an in ethics Scientologist. It does _not_ make any sense to cause her to disconnect and create antagonism as well. It is out "PR" someone who is saying that Rondi should disconnect. The person who is making this decision is mis-duplicating the situation here and as a result mis-applying the tech. I hope that you will be able to see me re: this matter before I leave. Rondi can be reached at 813-446-[XXXX] - she has been held up at the MAA this cycle now for 4 weeks and taken off her lines. This situation has gotten onto my daughters lines already and Noelle my daughter is looking at this, this is not good PR for her as you know. I'm handling her and want to get her moving on the bridge and this situation does not help at all. She, (Noelle) has been really helpful to Rondi and has encouraged Rondi to get the data communicated more clearly and precisely re: this matter. But Rondi has been too upset by this and unable to really get this communicated to the proper lines and terminals. Someone is misinterpreting this family situation and making Rondi the brunt of it. I can be reached at 813-441-[XXXX]. I'm here for only a few days more so please do get back to me or let me see you? If so what day and what time before Tuesday of next week? Thanks for your consideration.
ARC, Gloria Tinney LA phone # 310-392-[XXXX] == Martin Ottmann, Scharnhauser Str. 19 73760 Ostfildern/Ruit, Germany
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Clare writes:>>Disconnection would be primarily used when someone one is
associated with is antagonistic to the individual Scientologist. Maybe because of his involvement in Scn, or it could be for any other reason in which the Scn'ologist is being given a very bad time to the point where they are absolutely miserable. The individual is encouraged to work things out and communicate with whoever it is he isn't getting along with. That's where the biggest emphasis is. Disconnection should only be used as a last resort where nothing else is going to work.>>
I realize that you prefaced your posting with the caveat "in my experience" which is fair enough. However your communication leaves out the greatest single source of disconnection - declare. If the church declares someone who is a friend of yours or who is family then you will, sooner or later, be forced to disconnect from them. And yes this has happened to me - both friends and family. You agreement to it is not required - should you refuse you will, ultimately, be declared yourself for adherence to a suppressive person. This is one of the most evil aspects of this thuggish cult (and yes I know full well where the word Thug comes from and it applies to this cult as well) is that it forces disconnection to suit its own ends.
++++++++++++ Cavaliers - wrong but wromantic Roundheads - right but repulsive
Claire, you're not responding to my post, although you seem to think you are. Certainly incest and abuse are reasons to disconnect from folks. Impedence of spiritual progress is another matter.
We're not talking about abusers. We're talking about folks antagonistic to your church. And, as ydrrisil pointed out, we're also talking about family members and friends who have been declared by the church.
You want to defend the concept that it's wise to disconnect from abusers and molesters? Gosh, yeah, that's a good idea. But that's not what Scientological disconnection is about, and you know it's not.
In article <35983681.A5D6A...@home.com>, Claire Swazey <swa...@home.com> wrote: > Disconnection is only used as a last resort if the other person is > making one's life so hellish that one cannot find a way to deal with the > person and restore harmony. And the idea is also that this is not > necessarily permanent. I have (non-Scientology) friends who > disconnected from parents who kept trying to have sex with > them.Naturally the friends objected to this and tried to get Daddy > dearest to stop.Wouldn't stop. (here's a charming direct quote from one > of the afore-mentioned Daddies: "I made 'em,I can touch 'em") And > here's a big surprise, my friend "disconnected".And so would I have > (after pouring a pound of sugar in the f**kers gastank). This is the > type of thing disconnection is for. It would much sadder to stay in > contact with such a creep. And the idea is also there that if said > creep somehow managed to straighten up and fly right, his daughter might > un-disconnect (reconnect?) and re-establish communication with him. > Well,that's a pretty strong example, but it's only in really drastic > cases that anyone should ever need to even consider disconnecting from > family.
> In all the Scn centers I've ever been a part of, communication and love > are stressed in re family relationships.
> Claire
> Tashback wrote:
> > In article <35967D59.FCF84...@home.com>, Claire Swazey <swa...@home.com> wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > In my own case, I have one parent that has gotten his money back frm > > > scn, and who was, for a time, involved in a "squirrel" group operated by > > > a friend. I have another parent who has made her dislike of scn no > > > secret as she prefers traditional medicine,preachers,etc. I have a > > > relative who had ect and heavy psychiatric drugs/institutionalization, > > > and is on the meds to this day, although not the other two things.I have > > > NEVER been advised, by ANY of the several orgs and missions in the > > > different parts of the country, to disconnect from my family. Why? > > > Because my family has a live and let live attitude about my involvement > > > with Scn and I am on good terms with them, and they love me and are > > > proud of me, so there's no problem, real or imagined.
> > I appreciate your thoughtful analysis of CoS's disconnection policy.
> > Your implication, though, is that if your family were antagonistic toward > > CoS, the church would require that you choose between leaving your faith > > and disconnecting from your family (after the obligatory efforts to try to > > turn your family around). That's been my understanding of the > > disconnection policy; please tell me if I'm wrong.
> > Forcing an individual to make such a choice seems horrible. If the person > > actually believes that his spiritual future -- or salvation -- or whatever > > it is that's so vitally important to him -- is at stake, and the > > organization providing that much-valued service demands disconnection from > > family ... well, you can see how the policy creeps some of us out.
> > Scientology does have a reputation for ripping families apart. If indeed > > it forces parishioners to disconnect from their families when the family > > remains antagonistic to the church, that reputation is well-earned.
> > > Some of you may know of situations where people disconnected from a > > > family member when such action was entirely unnecessary.
> > > All I can say to you is that people who disconnect from family when no > > > one is trying to stop them from doing what they want to do, where the > > > motive is purely manipulative, well, those people are wrong and they are > > > not practicing scientology. An analogy would be with other religions, > > > where you have a Christian, Moslem or Jewish person who uses his or her > > > religion to make other people feel like dirt. Not all members of these > > > religions do that, in fact most of the ones I met were pretty nice. But > > > one DOES run across people who use their religious beliefs to try to > > > hurt and control others. What is that quote from Twain-- something to > > > the effect that Christianity would be a good idea if only the Christians > > > would practice it? Well, I say the same about Scientology.
> > But the disconnection policy, even as you describe it in its proper > > implementation, doesn't sound like a good idea. It sounds like a very sad > > thing.
