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JimDBB  
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 More options Oct 4 1997, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: jim...@aol.com (JimDBB)
Date: 1997/10/04
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

>Subject: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary
>From: wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young)
>Date: Sat, Oct 4, 1997 03:50 EDT
>My name is Robert Vaughn Young. My wife and I have been operating a small
>non-profit animal sanctuary in Seattle, Washington. Over the last two
>years, we have rescued and adopted out nearly 500 cats and dogs. That
>effort is now jeopardized because the Scientology cult is attacking the
>sanctuary and trying to get it closed down.

RVY and Stacy:

Contact the Criminal InvestigationDivion of the IRS.  they have regional and
 local offices around the country.  You are being criminally harassed with
 tax-exempt money.  They will listen to you and might even do something.  In
 any case,.  your complaint should be on record with them.  Contact the Dept.
 of Justice who have been waffling in investigation  the many crimes and frauds
 of the scientology cult.  Contact the US Attorney and your State Attorney
 General.  

This situation is truly appalling.  I think that we should start listing
 scientology's covert OSA agents around the country who are committing these
 criminal harassments. We should list who they are, where they are , where they
 live and who they work for...if they are non-staff.   I will start shortly and
 list some in the chicago area who have beeen harassing the CAN staff and
 worked actively in the conspiracy to destroy CAN.

JImDBB


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Dean Benjamin  
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From: Dean Benjamin <d...@cs.cmu.edu>
Date: 1997/10/04
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young):

>> THE SCIENTOLOGY CULT IS ATTACKING AN ANIMAL SANCTUARY

gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel):

> Wow.  I knew the Sceintologists were a bit weird, to say the least, but
> had no idea they were vindictive and manipulative too.

Operation Footbullet wins another convert.

Excellent use of the Net, RVY!  GO/OSA/Dept.20 should know that
whenever on whomever they play their dirty tricks, they are far less
likely to shudder anyone into silence.  Instead, they merely offer
another opportunity to reveal themselves as creeps to another
audience.


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Martin Hunt  
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From: mart...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt)
Date: 1997/10/04
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

In article <616ceo$...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>,
gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel) wrote:

>Wow.  I knew the Sceintologists were a bit weird, to say the least, but
>had no idea they were vindictive and manipulative too.

Ah, how those words are like music to mine ears!

See? It's not such a hard message to get out. Every time a complete
newcomer makes a remark like that, it makes my day. One less person
for the cult recruiters (never mind who she'll tell).

[newsgroups trimmed; thanks, RVY]

ttyl,
martin.

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Gwen A Orel  
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Newsgroups: rec.pets.cats.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, talk.politics.animals, rec.pets, alt.religion.scientology
Followup-To: rec.pets.cats.rescue, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, rec.pets.cats, rec.pets.dogs, talk.politics.animals, rec.pets, seattle.general, seattle.politics, alt.religion.scientology
From: gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel)
Date: 1997/10/04
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

Wow.  I knew the Sceintologists were a bit weird, to say the least, but
had no idea they were vindictive and manipulative too.  I'm so sorry for
you to be dealing with them.  It sure looks like they will stop at nothing.
But G-d sees your good work for the animals.  Please don't stop.  It does
look like you will have to move, I would just cut my losses if I were you.
Next time make absolutely sure thant everything you do is legal according
to every code conceivable, they will surely find a loophole if they
can.

Good luck and G-d bless you,

Gwen

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I live in fear of not being misunderstood.-- Oscar wilde


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Rob Clark  
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 More options Oct 5 1997, 3:00 am
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From: x...@mindspring.com (Rob Clark)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

Dean Benjamin <d...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
>wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young):
>>> THE SCIENTOLOGY CULT IS ATTACKING AN ANIMAL SANCTUARY
>gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel):
>> Wow.  I knew the Sceintologists were a bit weird, to say the least, but
>> had no idea they were vindictive and manipulative too.
>Operation Footbullet wins another convert.
>Excellent use of the Net, RVY!  GO/OSA/Dept.20 should know that
>whenever on whomever they play their dirty tricks, they are far less
>likely to shudder anyone into silence.  Instead, they merely offer
>another opportunity to reveal themselves as creeps to another
>audience.

gotta agree with Xmudder here, RVY is quick study, and realized that
the cult's recent attacks deserved a wider audience.

back when there were arbitron ratings, i used to sit and wonder how
precisely one could justify a massive crosspost to the various
*.pets.* hierarchies, which are often the most widely-read newsgroups
on the net.

evidently, it took scientology itself to give that audience to us on a
silver platter with this repulsive attack on an animal sanctuary, thus
making themselves look like a pack of thugs with no compunction at
attacking innocent kittens and puppies just to attack an enemy.

once again, i'll repeat an old comment.  

i would be deadly terrified of scientology if they still had people of
the calibre of RVY or dennis erlich or arnie lerma or any of the Big
Names.  however, those people are now on the right side, while the
cult is stuck with clowns like wgert, who seem to think you can polish
a turd like this vile threatening of kittens into a "win."

rob


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Gwen A Orel  
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From: gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

You're right, I've even added this newsgroups to my list, for now.
I am quite devoted to animals, though not a vegetarian (I don't
want to start something I can't finish).  And in some ways, crimes
against animals hurt to think about even more than crimes against
people, because animals are so trusting, and so innocent.  The
fact that Young had a shelter (or a placement service) says so much
about him that he has my sympathies already.  I knew Scientologists
bilked people of money, but had no idea they conspired to do worse.
If this is true, more people should know.

Gwen

Rob Clark (x...@mindspring.com) wrote:

: Dean Benjamin <d...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

: >wri...@eskimo.com (Robert Vaughn Young):
: >>> THE SCIENTOLOGY CULT IS ATTACKING AN ANIMAL SANCTUARY

: >gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel):
: >> Wow.  I knew the Sceintologists were a bit weird, to say the least, but
: >> had no idea they were vindictive and manipulative too.

: >Operation Footbullet wins another convert.

: >Excellent use of the Net, RVY!  GO/OSA/Dept.20 should know that
: >whenever on whomever they play their dirty tricks, they are far less
: >likely to shudder anyone into silence.  Instead, they merely offer
: >another opportunity to reveal themselves as creeps to another
: >audience.

: gotta agree with Xmudder here, RVY is quick study, and realized that
: the cult's recent attacks deserved a wider audience.

: back when there were arbitron ratings, i used to sit and wonder how
: precisely one could justify a massive crosspost to the various
: *.pets.* hierarchies, which are often the most widely-read newsgroups
: on the net.

: evidently, it took scientology itself to give that audience to us on a
: silver platter with this repulsive attack on an animal sanctuary, thus
: making themselves look like a pack of thugs with no compunction at
: attacking innocent kittens and puppies just to attack an enemy.

: once again, i'll repeat an old comment.  

: i would be deadly terrified of scientology if they still had people of
: the calibre of RVY or dennis erlich or arnie lerma or any of the Big
: Names.  however, those people are now on the right side, while the
: cult is stuck with clowns like wgert, who seem to think you can polish
: a turd like this vile threatening of kittens into a "win."

: rob

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I live in fear of not being misunderstood.-- Oscar wilde


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Tilman Hausherr  
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From: til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

In <6176se$...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, gaos...@pitt.edu (Gwen A Orel)
wrote:

>You're right, I've even added this newsgroups to my list, for now.

Welcome... ars can be quite confusing, and they are a lot of mini-wars
going on... I suggest you read the WWW first, search for "scientology"
on www.infoseek.com or read  http://www.tiac.net/users/modemac/cos.html

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Discussion subject changed to "RVY don't contact the IRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" by Gunbunny
Gunbunny  
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From: Gun_bu...@hotmail.com (Gunbunny)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: RVY don't contact the IRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On 4 Oct 1997 20:34:31 GMT, jim...@aol.com (JimDBB),
<19971004203401.QAA08...@ladder02.news.aol.com>  wrote :

>RVY and Stacy:

>Contact the Criminal InvestigationDivion of the IRS.  they have regional and
> local offices around the country.

The last thing any person should do is contact the IRS for help. After the
hearing last week when IRS agents testified behind screens and with altered
voices I would say, "YOU CAN'T TRUST THE IRS"

Keith

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Discussion subject changed to "Scientology attacks animal sanctuary" by Joesep E. Cisar
Joesep E. Cisar  
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From: iy...@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Joesep E. Cisar)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary

This isn't the first time Scientology has been accused of violating
not  only human rights, but animal rights.  
Who drowned the judge's dog?

New York Times, Sunday, March 9, 1997
An Ultra-Aggressive Use of Investigators and the Courts
by Douglas Frantz
states:

In 1992, Judge Ronald Swearinger of Los Angeles County Superior
Court told The American Lawyer magazine that he believed
Scientologists had slashed his car tires and drowned his collie
while he was presiding over a suit against the church.

The Church denied the accusations, ... but the founder of the
Church,  L. Ron Hubbard wrote:

"The purpose of the suit is to harass and discourage rather than
win.  The law can be used very easily to harass, and enough
harassment on somebody who is simply on the thin edge anyway
... will generally be sufficient to cause his professional decrease.  
If possible, of course, ruin him utterly."

In the U.S., a religion is not required to have a god.

Joe Cisar
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Discussion subject changed to "Scientology attacks animals" by Martin Hunt
Martin Hunt  
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From: mart...@islandnet.com (Martin Hunt)
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animals

In article <618khi$...@isn.dac.neu.edu>,
hosbo...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Hilary B Osborne) wrote:

>Indeed.  I was already an SP (will some clam notice me so I can get my
>SP2?), but I can use this to convince the animal-lovers I know.  I work
>with critters and know several people at the local humane society, so...  

>This is a good angle for the ARSCC(wdne) to play up--we've got the
>human-rights violations, the silly hidden beliefs, and now cruelty to
>animals.  I wouldn't be surprised if there are other stories of $cn
>hurting or killing critters.  Anyone?

Well, there's this report by Steve Fishman about Scientology's treatment
of animals:

Article #159059 (159197 is last):
From: x...@ix.netcom.com (STEVEN FISHMAN )
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Gravy, The Babble-on, babbles on
Date: Thu Mar 14 14:03:59 1996

[...]

Listen Vera,

You have a lot of nerve talking about inflicting pain on small animals
when it was your filthy, disgusting cult that cut up a rabbit into four
pieces and left it on my doorstep for my two daughters to see while I was
confined in the halfway house one year ago.

And what about the dead rats your cult left on the doorstep of Margaret
Singer, my clinical psychologist and expert witness in the criminal
case?  This happened twice, once before and once after your cult stole
all of my folders from her garage.

Don't tell me about large animals either.  Remember Duke, Judge
Swearinger's dog?  You drowned him.

You also poisoned Dr. Geertz's chickens after Eugene Ingram told all of
his neighbors that Dr. Geertz was running illegal cockfights (a lie).
And Dr. Geertz's German Shepherd was poisoned --- that never happened
to any of his neighbors.

Crimes against animals are typical of your stinking cult.  What ever
happened to the fifth dynamic?  Or are these animals fair game because
they were connected to suppressives?

Vera, your hypocrisy is only exceeded by the foul odor of your body
thetans oozing through your stubble runty fingers onto the keyboard.

I hope that in your next life, you come back as a Sea Org dog who gets
starved and neglected in an RPF.  (You are already a plain dog in this
life, with out a doubt, Vera).

And when are you going to stop picking on Grady?  Haven't you tortured
his mother enough, (you and your pimp boss)?

People see through your transparent plethora of evil conundrums.  You
are the typical cultic ghoul incarnate.  But don't post your two-faced
comments about animals.  If you had as much compassion as an animal
you might even pass for being human.

--- Steve Fishman

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From: Dave Bird---St Hippo of Augustine <d...@xemu.demon.co.uk>
Date: 1997/10/05
Subject: Re: Scientology attacks animal sanctuary