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Joe's Garage  
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 More options Nov 20 1999, 3:00 am
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
From: Joe's Garage <swat...@xenu.net>
Date: 1999/11/20
Subject: Book review of Ted Patrick's book
Due to the fact that Ted Patrick's book may be tough to find, here is a
little review:

Ted Patrick was a black guy from Tennessee who was a civil rights
activist.  He organized pickets for black people.  He was selected by Gov.
Ron Reagan of Calif. to be some kind of county coordinator down near San
Diego.

Once a year he went out to the beach with his family for a vacation.  One
year a couple of his nephews didn't come back when they were supposed to.
When they did get back, they were all glassy-eyed.  Patrick assumed they
had been drinking or smoking pot, which was a popular pastime back then.
They had been with a group called "Children of God" (If you ever saw one
of them, you couldn't miss them.  Those were the hippy types who used to
stare all spacey-eyed and say things like "Do you want to die and go to
HELL?")

So one time a lady complained to Patrick in his civil service position
about how her son didn't come back from the Children of God (COG).
Patrick would have just blown her off as paranoid, except for the
experience with his nephew.  So he decided he was going to join the COG.
He went down to the park near San Diego and told the COG that he believed
in Jesus.  He was put on the COG bus and was driven out to some estate.
There were piles of stereos and cars etc all over the lawn, from where
people had donated all their earthly goods to COG.

He was amazed that 100 young people were brought in, but before the night
was over, it was more like 300 taken off the streets.  There was no way to
leave since they had arrived by bus.  The preaching started and everyone
had to listen.  Nobody was allowed to be by themselves.  Sleep or food was
not an option.  He was even preached to when he was in the bathroom.

Part of the preaching was that parents were said to be evil and
also they were supposed to be soldiers of Satan.  Like on ars, critics are
said to be evil and minions of Minton.  This went on and on with little or
no sleep and no food for a day or so until people started to turn
glassy-eyed and repeat back what they were told.

People who tried to leave had their way blocked and their indoctrination
intensified.  To get out, Patrick told the COG he had a paycheck at home
which he wanted to donate to the church.  That worked for him.

As part of his job, he checked into what could be done to keep kids from
being picked up off the streets as the COG was doing.  He ran into the
same problems we have in America today.  No government agency will help.
He checked everything he could, but could find help nowhere.

So he looked at the law to see what he could do.  He ended up helping the
lady get her kid back and put the kid in a room and questioned the kid. He
did the same thing the COG did to him in that he would not let the kid get
away, but he did it to get the kid to start thinking again instead of what
the COG did, which was to stop people from thinking.

It is a good thing he did it the COG way at that time.  Imagine the
trouble he would have gotten into if the COG were like Scientology and had
made everybody do the Purification Rundown until they "felt good" about
giving their money to COG! Then deprogramming would have meant sitting in
the sauna.

Eventually, Patrick came to recognize various mental and physical signs of
someone who was under the influence of a cult-like group.  To him, it was
as plain as the difference between drunk and sober.  The purpose of the
cult-like groups was to disable individual critical ability while claiming
legal rights for the individual to have his critical ability disabled.

Cults are still doing that successfully, calling it "religious conversion"
while saying there is no such thing as brainwashing.  That was the strange
thing about reading the deprogramming accounts.  If you have been in a
cult before, you can recognize the situation and understand, with clarity,
why cults hate deprogramming and why cults hate ars.  ars is also
deprogramming to the extent that it makes you think about cults which use
brainwashing under the guise of religious conversion.

Patrick was not at all secretive about his methods and did his best to get
congress to investigate the situation.  However, he was only one man with
no organization and no resources, and the cults were forming alliances to
make a "Willy Horton" out of Ted Patrick and were paying a lot of money to
influence congress.

Government did nothing about cults when people were losing their children
to cults, but when cults started losing income due to parents wanting
their children back, protection of cults became a bigger issue than
protection of families. And it doesn't make any difference how much money
you had, as the Hearst family found out.

If you get a chance, find the book and read it yourself.  It's old and
outdated, but it provides some good, basic information about how cults
work from back when they were simpler than they are today.

Joe C., escaped Scientology white slave.
   If you think the problem with Scientology is bad now,
   just wait until we find out what it is.
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Discussion subject changed to "Book review of Ted Patrick's book/political issue" by roger gonnet
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 More options Nov 21 1999, 3:00 am
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From: "roger gonnet" <sectic...@worldnet.fr>
Date: 1999/11/21
Subject: Re: Book review of Ted Patrick's book/political issue

Joe's Garage <swat...@xenu.net> a écrit dans le message :
Pine.LNX.3.96.991120171751.124A-100...@darkstar.zippy...

Alas, US government did find cults as helpers now. My opinion is that now,
the main ally of criminal cults is just the US govt - or at least, some of
its members. In Europe, they have invaded the OSCE through the US govt-led
CSCE and are yet working at this , attacking, attacking, attacking.

That's where I think we have to work a lot, concurrently with discrediting
apologists, and most of the sociologists of religions, who give  help to US
govt and CSCE/OSCE.

Cult problem is since long a political issue. One can even presume that US
govt uses cults as a method to gain allies in foreign countries: being
"sympathetic" toward cults in US and elsewhere does lead cultists to be ally
of US decisions - no matter how stupid or detrimental the US wish can be
against foreign countries.

And it doesn't make any difference how much money


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Discussion subject changed to "Book review of Ted Patrick's book" by Tilman Hausherr
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 More options Nov 21 1999, 3:00 am
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From: til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
Date: 1999/11/21
Subject: Re: Book review of Ted Patrick's book
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999 18:48:02 -0500, Joe's Garage <swat...@xenu.net>
wrote in <Pine.LNX.3.96.991120171751.124A-100...@darkstar.zippy>:

>If you get a chance, find the book and read it yourself.  It's old and
>outdated, but it provides some good, basic information about how cults
>work from back when they were simpler than they are today.

Here my review again:

From: til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
Subject: Comment on "Let my Children go"
Date: 13 Jun 1999 00:00:00 GMT
Message-ID: <3830afa0.98823646@news.snafu.de>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology,alt.religion.unification

I have finished to read the book by Ted Patrick "Let my children go".
While what Patrick did was often illegal, the book is interesting for
historical reasons.

1.
At that time, groups like the (old) CAN and AFF didn't exist, and nobody
knew what was really going on. Cults like "The children of God" or
"Hannah Lowe" (I never heard of that before!) or the Moonies were able
to literally "get people overnight" and have them part with their entire
property, all this on an industrial scale. I recommend to read the part
where Ted Patrick gets himself "recruited" by the Children of God and
witnesses their brainwashing session.

2.
Another difference to today is that culties keep a "PR personality" to
avoid being seen as nutcases. Patrick mentions the example of a young
girl who persisted that her "cult-name" was the correct one (it wasn't
the one in her drivers license), she said that she was 85 years old. It
may have been a smart decision to prohibit scientologists from speaking
about their beliefs - as soon as they rant about Xenu or space invaders,
they would be labelled what they are: deluded and mentally ill. Instead,
they are taught to explain that their mental delusions are actually an
expression of their "religious beliefs."

3.
The book does not mention scientology a single time.

4.
I noticed a few familiar names: The Crampton's (the name
Henrietta Crampton may be familiar to some), Steve Allen, Dean Kelley.
The Crampton's had their daughter deprogrammed (it failed), Steve Allen
at that time wasn't aware of what was going on and issued a clueless
statement (obviously, he did get a clue sometimes later!), and
Dean Kelley was the same cult apologist he was until his death - he
called destructive cults "high demand religions".

5.
The moonies carelessness is similar to the one of the scientologists.
They prevented a girl, Winnie Swope, from having her eyes checked. Her
eyesight deteriorated rapidly, and the moonies claimed that the devil
was trying to interfere with her seeing the backboards and advised her
to pray harder. When she persisted to ask for a ride, they claimed that
the lectures were more important. Finally she was able to get medical
help, and was diagnosed with a detached retina.

Tilman

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Michael Mandaville  
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 More options Nov 22 1999, 3:00 am
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From: mikeman...@aol.com (Michael Mandaville)
Date: 1999/11/22
Subject: Re: Book review of Ted Patrick's book

>Tilman Hausherr
>review of Ted Patrick's
> "Let my Children go"

This sounds like a good read, Tillman.  If my memory serves me correctly, I
believe that Patrick was the original "deprogrammer" (although of course the
term "exit counselor" is more fashionable these days).  I didn't realize that
he was black.  I'll keep my eyes out for the book, as it does sound like
essential reading.

Michael


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