On Sun, 24 May 1998 16:46:31 GMT, inF...@newsguy.com (Rev. Dennis

snip

Sure Dennis. Then why didn't you pay child support? Rod.

On Tue, 26 May 1998 06:09:43 GMT, til...@berlin.snafu.de (Tilman Hausherr)
wrote:

he did once in an old message--i've snipped out the part:

From:         Wolf <wolft...@micron.net>
Date:         1998/04/14
Message-ID:   <353310F6.32A8@micron.net>

[big snip]

--
rob

Fucking cult-head, why doesn't your precious and always correct Co$ pay
the money it owes?  Get your own damn house in order before you go after
someone else.

I am so tired of your fucking lunatic-following, fair-gaming,
Xenu-fearing, rice-n-beans eating,  MURDERING,
wishing-we-were-a-real-religion cult.  You puport to be a religion that
cares about people, but the only thing I have ever seen you bunch of
half-baked clams do is:

1)  Try to get money out of people;

2)  Try to fuck over your critics;

3)  Try to accomplish step one with step two.

If your lunatic church would stop attacking people, and just be open about
what it does, you would find a lot fewer enemies.  Okay, if your church
were honest then you would also find a lot fewer patrons.

Go the fuck away, Rod, your are a waste of otherwise useful protein.

--

"Commodore" SP 2, and moving!!!

In article <356A367E.6...@micron.net>, wolft...@micron.net says...

To each their own.  I didn't care for it.  'Twas gilding the lily.

Sure.  I'm wrong and you're an airplane.

I'll read that as a grudging agreement of sorts.

Curious example insofar as not everyone at Jonestown went willingly.  No,
more like "general agreement," as quite distinct from "unquestioning
acceptance," which was my take on your use of the phrase.   Look Wolf,
there's a long list of claims that LRH made which he had no foundation
for.  From Waterbury's fictitious Montana land holdings on up, reality as
revealed by the historical record falls far short of the CoS' official
LRH biography.  The Old Man's life has been *researched*, much to the
dismay of Co$.  He was a con man and a liar who never placed anyone's
well-being before his own welfare.  As a means to attain his goal of
smashing his name into history and farting through silk for the rest of
his life he created a lie called Dianetics and a con called Scientology.  
The Co$ is stuck with that, as are the few Scientologists who are still
sucking the witch's tit, whether or not they still pour their money into
the scam.  That's the *consensus* here, okay?  Go run that 'til your
needle floats.

Yeah.  If "VFP" infringed anyone's copyright, bill me.

Sure truth has a knack (and truth means *what is*, not what is imagined
or pretended).  Or do you think we just stumble across it here and there
by chance, as Hubbard claimed he did while having a tooth fixed?

Co$ demonizes itself by abusing its welcome wherever it goes.

I suppose you have an idea of what a "valid" critic is; as far as I'm
concerned anyone who expresses an opinion on the work of others is a
critic.  If I go see a movie and tell someone what I think of it, I'm a
movie critic.

I feel awfully free when I read the wgerts.  Co$ sends in the drones
because there's not much else they really *can* do about the ARSCC Flap,
is there?

Cute turn of phrase.  Your Bozo Score is in Affluence.  May I squeeze
your nose again?

<squeek,squeek>  

"I think we're all Enzos on this bus."
<squeek,squeek>  

Thanks!

Stacy Young raises the credibility of ARS just fine without your
"interest."  

But do carry on, there's a future for you on talk-radio.

I have a knack for thinking about things, which annoys people who would
prefer not to believe that they'd wasted 20 years chasing space cooties.  

FWIW

Dr. No

P.S.  Read this, then play-doh demo why the Co$ hates Gerry Armstrong:

                Bare-Faced Messiah by Russell Miller
Introduction

For more than thirty years, the Church of Scientology has vigorously
promoted an image of its founder, L. Ron Hubbard, as a romantic
adventurer and philosopher whose early life fortuitously prepared
him, in the manner of Jesus Christ, for his declared mission to save
the world. The glorification of 'Ron', superman and saviour, required
a cavalier disregard for facts: thus it is that every biography of
Hubbard published by the church is interwoven with lies, half-truths
and ludicrous embellishments. The wondrous irony of this deception is
that the true story of L. Ron Hubbard is much more bizarre, mucb more
improbable, than any of the lies.

Preface

The Revelation of Ron

It was a scene that could have been ripped from the yellowing
pages of the pulp science fiction that L. Ron Hubbard wrote
in the Thirties . . .

A strangely alien group of young people who believe they are
immortal set up a secret base in an abandoned health spa in
the desert in southern California. Fearful of outsiders, they
suspect they have been discovered by the FBI. In a panic, they
begin to destroy any documents that might incriminate their
leader. It is essential they protect him, for they believe he
alone can save the world.

Searching through the top floor of a derelict hotel, one of
their number discovers a stack of battered cardboard boxes and
begins pulling out faded photographs, dog-cared manuscripts,
diaries written in a childish scrawl and school reports. There
are twenty-one boxes in all, each stuffed with memorabilia,
even baby clothes.

The young man rummaging through the boxes is ecstatic. He
is certain he has made a discovery of profound significance,
for all the material documents the early life of his leader.
At last, he thinks, it will be possible to refute all the lies
spread by their enemies. At last it will be possible to prove
to the world, beyond doubt, that his leader really is a genius
and miracle worker . . .

Thus was the stage set for the inexorable unmasking of L. Ron
Hubbard, the saviour who never was.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Gerry Armstrong, the man kneeling in the dust on the top floor
of the old Del Sol Hotel at Gilman Hot Springs that afternoon
in January 1980, had been a dedicated member of the Church of
Scientology for more than a decade. He was logging in Canada
when a friend introduced him to Scientology in 1969 and he was
immediately swept away by its heady promise of superhuman powers
and immortality. During his years as a Scientologist, he had
twice been sentenced to long periods in the Rehabilitation Project
Force, the cult's own Orwellian prison; he had been constantly
humiliated and his marriage had been destroyed, yet he remained
totally convinced that L. Ron Hubbard was the greatest man who
ever lived.

The dauntless loyalty Hubbard inspired among his followers was
tantamount to a form of mind control. Scientology flourished
in the post-war era of protest and uncertainty when young people
were searching for a sense of belonging or meaning to their
lives. Hubbard offered both, promised answers and nurtured an
inner-group feeling of exclusiveness which separated Scientologists
from the real world. Comforted by a sense of esoteric knowledge,
of exaltation and self-absorption, they were ready to follow
Ron through the very gates of Hell if need be.

At the time Armstrong discovered the treasure trove of memorabilia
at Gilman Hot Springs, Hubbard had been in hiding for years.
His location was known only as 'X', but Armstrong knew that
it was possible to get a message to him and he petitioned for
permission to begin researching an official biography, forcefully
arguing that it would prepare the ground for 'universal acceptance'
of Scientology. He saw it as the forerunner of a major motion
picture based on Hubbard's life and the eventual establishment
of an archive in an L. Ron Hubbard Museum.

By then Hubbard was nearly seventy years old and bad lived so
long in a world of phantasmagoria that he was unable to distinguish
between fact and his own fantastic fiction. He believed he
was the teenage explorer, swashbuckling hero, sage and philosopher
his biographies said be was. It was perhaps too late for him
to comprehend that his life, in reality, far outstripped the
fabricated version. He made the leap from penniless science-fiction
writer to millionaire ...

read more »

:Wolf, the regulars in this news group have more insight into human
:motivations than I think you will find anywhere else on the net.

I think that's overstating the case. There's more than one way to skin a
body thetan, and there's more than one way to get insight into human
motivations.

:  They
:make *jokes*, such are are being made on the 'babes' thread, which can
:only be understood in terms of a deep understanding.

You can tell when I'm joking because I don't use smileys.

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"You have your entertainment, we have ours. Yours is going into other
Newsgroups and making remarks about elephant cocks. Ours is mocking you
mercilessly and LARTing your pompous ass." (Jim Dugan)

The fact that it did not result in an "investigation, news reports,
possible criminal charges", etc, is not in itself enough to refute the
suggestion that it may have occurred. By that standard (albeit in
extremis), one might well say that murder were legal, since OJ managed
to commit murder and not get convicted.

There was an absence of any investigation, news reports or possible
criminal charges in the Lisa McPherson case, which lay in the doldrums
for several months before comment on the Internet revitalised the
inquiry. Presumably, judging from their attacks on the Clearwater
police and the medical examiner in question, the CoS would like to
have had it remain uninvestigated. By your standards, that would then
mean that the Scientologists who watched _and recorded_ while Lisa
slowly died of dehydration were blameless, since the event could never
have occurred.

I find it hard to get excited about reasoning like this.

[snip]

--
Practicing medicine without a licence? You decide:
  "Step Four - Cures for Illness
  You will now find BTs and clusters being cures for illnesses
  of the body part. Handle all such BTs and clusters by blowing
  them off. "Cures for Illness" will then cease to read.
           [NOTS 34, Fair Use excerpt]

Steve A, SP4, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12.
<SARCASM>I am a Scientologist</SARCASM>

On 23 May 1998 22:56:33 GMT, <Pigno...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

Well Monica. One thing you proved. You are not an expert as you have
yet to show me the evidence of your allegation. You are a very good
liar. Just like onscio. Rod.

<heavy snip>

We've been here before. It's easy to see that Scn *can* assert it is a
religion because it acknowledges spirits. Proving the existence is
another matter. OTOH, 1-900 psychics might be able to make a similar
claim about being religious. The way I see it is that the inability to
prove something exists doesn't prove it's non-existant.

<snip:cult addiction verbage>

It seems we're agreeing on this. I suggested it might be a recognition
that one was without scruples, not that the scruple-less one would be
bothered by that. Your example of Clinton seems to fit nicely.

<snip>

This may not be the place for this discussion, but what the hell...
while you see CofS as a corrosive force attempting to erode the
foundations of a free society, I see it differently. CofS is attempting
to do what any individual or group might -> expand and survive. It's
attempts to use the resources a democracy provides should come as no
suprise. If it's attempts are proven, in the end, to be preverted and
illegal, it stands to reason that our society would have been the
beneficiary of CofS's abuses (as you might put it). How is that so?
Because it will strengthen the cornerstones of freedom, shore up weak
areas and set precedents to guard against future attempts.

In short, if you guys (arscc... I know, I know...wdne) are correct in
your criticism, then you should welcome the opportunity and enjoy the
fight. Which I suspect you do.

Heh, heh.... you're kidding, of course. About the 'babes' thread I mean.
As for insight into human motivations, I'd say the general level of
understanding is high among a select few. Of course I include myself in
that group... no suprise there.

Wolf