Information from the Bast tapes is corroborated by the sworn testimony
of others.  Nan McLean was repeatedly placed in the painful position
of being forced to choose whether to tell the truth under oath or lie
to cover for a friend.  Nan's "stupid honesty" prevailed.
__________________________________________

Deposition of Nancy McLean, May 18, 1982

Paulette Cooper, Plaintiff, vs. Church of Scientology of Boston, Inc.,
et al., Defendants

Civil Action No. 81-681-Mc

page 137

Q. (Roger Geller, Counsel for Defendant)  And how much did it cost
when you -- when a copy was made available to copy each individual
page?

A. (Nan McLean, Deponent)  Twenty-five Cents.

Q.  And do you recall approximately how much money you spent in total
copying documents?

A.  An awful lot.

Q.  A Thousand Dollars?

A.  Easily.

p. 138

Q.  Two Thousand Dollars?

A.  Maybe.

Q.  Three Thousand Dollars?

A.  I doubt it.

Q.  Somewhere between -- somewhere in the neighborhood of
$2,000?

A.  It would be a guesstimate.

Q.  And did you put a quarter in each time you --

A.  No.

Q. -- made a copy?

A.  No.

Q.  What was the procedure?

        Mr. Logan (McLean's attorney).  Counsel, what's this got to do with
        your lawsuit?

        Mr. Geller.  Give me three more questions and I'll show you.

A.  The procedure was that a photocopier was available in Mr. Lyons'
outer office, and when we moved elsewhere, a photocopier went with us.

Q.  How did you -- the procedure for paying for it is what I'm asking
you.

A.  I took my copies -- I counted them each day, and I wrote them down
each day, and submitted my --

Q.  The total number to --

A.  -- to Mr. Lyons.

page 139

Q.  To Mr. Lyons.  And then he would present you with a bill, or you
would just give him the money?

A.  No.  I went over to -- oh, no.  I went over to the cashier with it
and paid at the cashier's office.

Q.  You know where I'm going with this line of questioning, don't you,
Mrs. McLean?

A.  Yes, I do.

Q.  Okay.  Did Miss Cooper pay for her documents?

A.  Oh, yes.

Q.  Did she pay for every document she copied?

A.  It's my recollection that -- that it may be possible that --

Q.  Please, Mrs. McLean.  Did she pay you for every copy?

        Mr. Logan.  Tell him, if you know.

A.  I don't think she did.

Q. (By Mr. Geller)  Didn't  you in fact tell Mr. Lyons that at one
point Miss Cooper wasn't paying for every copy she was making?

        The Witness.  Do I have to answer this line of questioning,
        since it's coming from --

        Mr. Logan.  I don't see the relevancy or humor of it, but go
        ahead and humor him with an answer.

        The Witness.  It's information obtained from -- from --

        Mr. Logan.  Tell him.  You mean from those Bast tapes?

        The Witness.  Yes.

        Mr. Logan.  Tell him as best you recall what you told Bast.  
        That's what he wants to hear.

        The Witness.  Well, he can refer to the Bast tapes himself.

        Mr. Logan.  Tell him what you remember.

Q. (By Mr. Geller)  I want to know, did you tell Mr. Lyons at one
point that Miss Cooper wasn't paying for her, for every copy she was
making?

A.  Yes, I did.

Q.  And didn't Miss Cooper tell you that she wasn't paying for all of
her copies?

A.  I don't recall that she told me initially.

Q.  Didn't you have some conversation about the morality --

A.  Oh, yes.  Oh, yes.

Q.  -- of not paying the copies with her?

A.  Oh, yes.

Q.  And what did she -- what did she say to you during that
conversation?

A.  I really don't recall.

Q.  Didn't she say that she felt it was moral for her not to pay for
these copies; it was morally correct?

A.  If she thought it was morally correct, then that's up to Paulette.

page 141

Q.  I know, but did she tell you that?

A.  I don't recall that.

Q.  Do you think it's morally correct not to pay for the copies?

A.  You know what I think.

        Mr. Logan.  Tell him.

A.  No.

Q. (By Mr. Geller).  Did you think Paulette was doing something
wrong, in not paying for the copies?

A.  I feel that Paulette was doing something that Paulette felt was
morally right within herself, and I have no control over Paulete.

Q.  Certainly I agree with that.

A.  I feel that Paulette has been abused very badly by your client.
And I don't think there's any -- any question of how I feel about
that, and I -- I do not want to be in a position where I abuse
Paulette, because -- because Paulette is a friend.  And I resent being
in this position.

Q.  Paulette is a good friend, isn't she?

A.  She is a -- a -- a good friend.  She has --

Q.  She's someone who you care very, very much for?

A.  Where did you get that letter?

Q.  She is someone who you care very much about, isn't she?

page 142

A.  Yes.

When Paulette Cooper was faced with the possibility of being indicted
for the manufactured bomb threats in 1973, she learned of a woman in
Canada who was engaged in her own legal battles with the CoS -- Nan
McLean.

Cooper telephoned Nan McLean, then flew up to Toronto to meet her.
Thence began a very close friendship between the two women.

When documents seized by the FBI from Scientology[tm] headquarters
were unsealed by Judge Richie in the U.S. District Court for the
District of D.C. in November 1979, Cooper and McLean began a
months-long project of going through the material and photocopying
the damning records.

During this time, Cooper became a contractual employee of Richard
Bast, the private investigator.  While McLean was paying for her
living expenses and photocopying costs out of her own pocket, Cooper's
bills were being reimbursed by Bast as business expenses.
_______________________________________

Tape RC-47

March 15, 1980 -- Cooper, Bast

COOPER: You know, getting back to Nan and her stupid honesty.
                Do you know what I managed to cheat down my photocopy bill down to?  
                Get this . . .

BAST:           What's that?

COOPER: $89.50.

BAST:           Really?

COOPER: Now, Nan and I photocopied, I did three-quarters of what she
                did.  Okay?  That's the way it generally went. . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: She's paying an $800 bill.

BAST:           Yeah, that's what she mentioned to me - $800 or something like
                that.

COOPER: She started in on me yesterday.

BAST:           Yeah?

COOPER: She said, "What was your photocopy bill?"

BAST:           Do you think Nan might turn you in?  I wonder if it's a good

                idea . . .

COOPER: I didn't tell her.

BAST:           . . . not to pay uh . . .

COOPER: I didn't tell her.

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: You know what I said?

BAST:           Yeah?

COOPER: I said, "It makes me sick to think about it, let's not discuss

                it . . . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: So, she said again, you know. . .

BAST:           I know but she, what if she. . . what if she finds out from    
                them how much you paid?   I wonder if it's, it's. . .

COOPER: She can't.  It's a court record.  Hey, there's no way she's
                gonna find out.

BAST:           Oh, she's not?

COOPER: In fact, I made a point, on Friday. . .

BAST:           'Cause see, she'd, she'd turn you in, you know, for defrauding
                the government or       something. . .

COOPER: I made a point last Friday.  I said, "I'm going up to the
                press room. . ."

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: . . .um to talk to Ken privately. . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: And then I went and paid.  I didn't want her next to me when
                she saw me writing out a check for $89.50. . . (garbled)

BAST:           Oh, I see. . . I see. . . 'cause she knew how much you, how
                much you got there. . .

COOPER: But she was watching very carefully yesterday.  So I made
                uh. . .

BAST:           . . . because you see that's, that'd be considered a fraud on
                the government.

COOPER: I know.  But I made a point yesterday of being completely
                honest about it.  You know why?  It's only fifty pages.

BAST:           Oh, I see.  So you paid them for the fifty pages.

COOPER: Sure.  I said, "Why not?"  You know?

BAST:           Yeah, that's right.  Yeah, well, you know, that's picayune
                stuff there, you know.   I'd. . . I'd, I, I would ju. . . . you
                know. . . .

COOPER: Well, why should we pay $800?

BAST:           Well, yeah.

COOPER: See, if we can pay $89.50. Right?

BAST:           Well, yeah, that kinda makes sense.

COOPER: Well, if they (garbled) it's because they trust me.

BAST:           But, I mean, but with Nan, I, I'd just as soon pay the full
                amount and not have, you know, not be worried about her.

COOPER: Yeah.  Don't fool around with Nan.  Don't , uh, everything has
                to be completely. . .

BAST:           Oh no, I know that, that's why I'm saying, I mean she's down
                there with you, and you know, she says she's friendly with those
                Court Clerks down there.  She might ask them how much you paid.
                That's why I would just as soon. . .

COOPER: No. She's friendly with the. . . you see, I didn't pay to the
                Clerk.  I paid to the   Finance Department.  There's no way she would
                know.

BAST:           Does she know the Finan. . . who does she pay to?

COOPER: No, the Finance Department. The same place.  You ring a bell,
                and hand them your bill and hand them your check.

BAST:           Oh, I see.

COOPER: And furthermore, I can say something ...

BAST:           I mean really, those kind of expenses, I would suggest you not
                chisel on.  You do whatever you want to do, but uh. . .

COOPER: Don't worry.  She's not gonna, she's not gonna turn me in on
                something like that.

BAST:           Damn, she turned in Ted Patrick.

COOPER: Yeah, but that's not uh. . .

BAST:           She said she'd turn in her own son.

COOPER: I know.  Now let me tell you though, what I did yesterday. . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: Periodically, we need this guy named Bob Lyons. . .

BAST:           Who's he again, now?

COOPER: He's the Court Clerk.

BAST:           Oh yeah.  Okay.

COOPER: It's like when the press comes down and we need to have the
                paper filled in. . .

BAST:           Maybe you ought to take him out to dinner, you know, or lunch
                or something. . .

COOPER: No. . . no, you know what I did? And he almost fell over. . .

BAST:           What?

COOPER: In fact, Nan. . . it allegedly came from both of us.

BAST:           Yeah?

COOPER: Uh, a bottle of Chivas Regal, thanking him...

BAST:           Oh, really?

COOPER: . . . he'd been so nice.  So I bought it at the train coming
                out.

BAST:           Yeah?  No kidding.

COOPER: And I got him a bottle, he was, he said...

BAST:           How much did that cost us?

COOPER: Sixteen dollars.  Cheap at half the price.

BAST:           Yeah, yeah.  That's right.  Yeah, that's cheaper than a
dinner.

COOPER: Exactly, and he said, "Oh, I can't accept a gift like this."
                No one's around.  Now the important thing is that I wasn't coming
                back, so it didn't look like any kind of a bribe. . .

BAST:           Yeah, yeah. . .

COOPER: . . . and I said, Nan and I are so grateful.

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: . . . that you've gone out of your way on so many occasions
                that we absolute. . . uh                ...

BAST:           Did Nan pay for half of it?

COOPER: No, but she's going to.

BAST:           Oh, I see.  It only costs our client eight dollars then.

COOPER: Well, if we can collect from Nan.

BAST:           Yeah.  Right.

COOPER: So, she. . . . To collect money from her isn't hard,
                incidentally.

BAST:                   Yeah.

COOPER: With all her honesty.

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: As to getting, uh, getting a document from her. . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: . . . you know, which you can ask her.  If you give her
                anything, it's, you might as well flush it down the toilet. (2-3
                words unintelligible)

BAST:           So, Bob Lyons was happy with the uh  . .. Chivas Regal?

COOPER: Ecstatic . . . I could call him up at any point and get
                anything. . .

BAST:           Oh, beautiful.

COOPER:         . . . for sixteen dollars.

BAST:           Oh, beautiful.

COOPER: So that was a good move.

BAST:           How old a guy is this Bob Lyons?  Is he a younger man. . .

COOPER: No.

BAST:           . . . or older man?

COOPER: Like fifty-five.  Married, kids, blah . . .

BAST:           Oh, I see, yeah.

COOPER: . . . I rememb. . . you know, I mean, I don't care for the
                man, but I can get; never can tell when we need him, and he, he. . .

BAST:           That's right.  Hey, he's a good contact there.

COOPER: . . . he works at the. . .

BAST:           . . . a good contact.

COOPER: You know it, so that was um. . .

BAST:           But he wasn't going to take it at first, until you said. . .

COOPER: No.

BAST:           Look it's only your. . .

COOPER: He's not allowed to. . .

BAST:           Was Nan with you?

COOPER: Yeah.

BAST:           Oh, so, you said look, it's just the three of us, nobody
knows,
                take it.

COOPER: That's the point, nobody's here. . .

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: . . . and I said, if you don't like Chivas Regal, uh . . .

BAST:           We'll get you whatever you want.

COOPER: I said, no, I got it at the train station, so that he would
                know that I was the one in back of this whole thing. . .

BAST:           Oh, I see that you're the. . . that Nan wouldn't take the. . .

COOPER: I . .  I carried it.

BAST:           . . . credit, you took all of the credit.

COOPER: But I said I got it at the train station.

BAST:           Yeah.

COOPER: So I said you go and exchange it for whatever you like. He
                says "Oh, I love this."  You know. . .

BAST:           Beautiful.

COOPER: He was ecstatic.  So, it turned out to be for sixteen dollars
                and we may have made a life-long friend.

BAST:           Oh, beautiful.

This transcript is the product of a fraudulent, deceptive entrapment:
Richard Bast's misrepresentation of himself to Paulette Cooper when
he hired her as a "contractor".

I see absolutely no earthly reason to post this stuff now, except
as character assassination.

Here are a few reasons.  I will gladly supply you with more.
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Subject: Re: Tying up loose ends
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I insist.
Post it, or send me copies, and I will scan, proofread, and post it
myself.

Posted & mailed.
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you have been repeatedly asked to produce this entire
document to allow a fair chance at rebuttal.

diane claimed she would gladly provide it--was
that just an outright lie?  or is it OK when diane
lies and reneges on her promises?

no more out-of-context bullshit.  

h
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[snip]

frankly, my opinion is that i won't be satisfied if
these bast things are published, unless they are
published simultaneously with the entire documentation
of the whole trial.  it is obvious that everyone
urging the reckless publication of a slanted out-of-context
misrepresentation are people desperate to smear
paulette cooper--and in fact are limited solely
to three people, all of whom harbor an obvious
hatred of paulette cooper that borders on
obsession.
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[snip]

h, I think the flames from the fall flamefest are blocking your
view. I don't have any illwill towards Paulette Cooper, but I'd
like to see the Bast documents.

Also, I think that flaming someone for posting what they consider
relevant rather than what you consider relevant is a bit egocentric.
If you don't think enough material is posted, you should post the
missing information yourself, not whine about someone else not doing
your legwork.
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this is why someone who is obviously demonstrated to harbor
a strong personal dislike of a person is obviously not suitable
to be the sole arbiter of what is presented to the rest of
us as the "truth" about that person.

which is why diane should live up to her promise to make
this material public, and quit the smear job.

i'm sick of her shadowy cabal act where *she*
makes dictatorial decisions with keith about
what he'll "bother to transcribe."

h
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Rev. Dennis L Erlich (inF...@primenet.com) wrote:

:    Diane feels that I am responsible for this, so I must insist on taking
: the blame for the material not being posted.

Umm why?  

In any case, the posting or non-posting of the material is the point,
at least as I see it.  The quarrel is over the 4-5 month-long period
in which Diane, instead of posting the material, referred to it in a
threatening manner, implying that the material was so damaging that it
would ruin Paulette's credibility.  

If she didn't want to post it (maybe because you urged her not to),
that would be fine, as long as she didn't make constant reference to
it.  But to not post AND yet use innuendo to refer to it is callous
and mean.
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[i may snip heavily, or cut my response into parts.
or i may have my say briefly.]

i think the manner in which she has withheld and alluded
to these documents constitutes sleazy behavior.  i think
the manner in which she left Her Man holding the bag for
her is atrociously sleazy behavior.  i think the manner
in which she manufactured attacks against herself in
other people's email she had no right to be looking at
is sleazy behavior.  i also think it's hypocritical,
because she's accusing paulette cooper of the same
things fifteen years ago and in the present.  i also
think it's unethical to present a personal vendetta
as objective research.

[snip]

i can compare the volume of diane's opinion of paulette, in
wordage, as compaerd with the volume of her research material
that she has posted since she spent her vacation at waltham.

[snip]

no, but they left me with no choice--i'm not going to
stand by idly while they steamroller paulette cooper.
i want them to resolve this by doing what they said
they'd do all along.  supposedly, if diane's on a
"quest for truth" of some bogus nature, now that
she spent her vacation ...

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: This transcript is the product of a fraudulent, deceptive entrapment:
: Richard Bast's misrepresentation of himself to Paulette Cooper when
: he hired her as a "contractor".

: I see absolutely no earthly reason to post this stuff now, except
: as character assassination

Agreed.

I think Nan's next to the last sentence, "Where did you get that letter?"
gives us the picture.

Aagh--it's the LaBrea (sp?) Tarpit Phenomenon again!

MH

In article <54t6cd$...@clark.zippo.com>
          refe...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:

Would you mind telling us, Diane, what on earth this extract has to do with
Scientology or, indeed, the current cases involving Scientology?

Glad to see you back to accept the responsibility that is rightfully yours. I
guess you just could not leave things in the hands of others, huh? Still, I
like to see people enjoying themselves.......

--
Sister Clara - SP4 - Magpie - LoX - OSA Orchid - potential DA subject
Little Sisters of the Perpetually Juicy
http://www.magpie.co.uk/
alt.religion.scientology - Open for all the usual business

In article <54t6u9$...@clark.zippo.com>
          refe...@bway.net (Diane Richardson) wrote:

Tell me, Diane. Is this alt.religion.scientology or alt.paulette.cooper?

What a sad, bitter person you have become.

--
Sister Clara - SP4 - Magpie - LoX - OSA Orchid - potential DA subject
Little Sisters of the Perpetually Juicy
http://www.magpie.co.uk/
alt.religion.scientology - Open for all the usual business

It was misrepresentation used to get the recording, it was not
entrapment for her to cheat on her zerox fees...(Nor some of the
things that were said by her...)  Entrapment means inducing someone to
do things they wouldn't have otherwise done...(and telling someone you
are working to get dirt on the CoS even if it isn't true isn't
inducment to illegal/immoral activity in my book.)

I think it is only marginally relevant, given that she isn't really
involved in dealing with the CoS anymore, but for historical interest,
it is totally relevant, it tells a great deal about her character, but
that is her (Cooper's) fault.

That all said, Bast used a very slimy technique, and I would have very
seriously considered sueing him had this been me (even if I wasn't all
that uncomfortable with w