>>Non sequitur. No quotes have been provided that proved that LRH was >>"lying about his grades". It would be something like "I obtained an A" >>where in reality he obtained an F. As usual, you critics have just >>answered aside the question, pretending that you answered.
>OK, considering you're so interested in this technicality, how about "L >Ron lied about the majority of his education; he implied that he was a >chartered engineer, which would almost certainly have required at least >better grades than the god-awful ones he got to even be considered for the >course. He lied about a degree and he lied about a doctorate."
>Will that do, you self-important, oversensitive shill? Or have you >finished shooting yourself in the foot?
starshad...@mindless.com (Starshadow) wrote: >In article <199808152211.AAA01...@replay.com>, nob...@replay.com says... >> Non sequitur. No quotes have been provided that proved that LRH was >> "lying about his grades". It would be something like "I obtained an A" >> where in reality he obtained an F. As usual, you critics have just >> answered aside the question, pretending that you answered.
>> Liars.
>> QED
> Jaysus, what a maroon!
> If someone says they have a degree when they actually *flunked* that is >tantamount to saying they had the *grades* to have a degree!!
No, it doesn't prove that LRH lied about his grades. You can have high grades and still fail to get your degree, because you stopped your studies, for example.
You obviously can't think. Go back to school, maroon.
On 17 Aug 1998 01:10:43 +0200, Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> wrote:
>> If someone says they have a degree when they actually *flunked* that is >>tantamount to saying they had the *grades* to have a degree!!
>No, it doesn't prove that LRH lied about his grades. You can have high >grades and still fail to get your degree, because you stopped your >studies, for example.
>You obviously can't think. Go back to school, maroon.
Wheee....alright, we've got four possible states here...Hubbard could a) have good grades and a degree in nuclear physics, b) bad grades and a degree in nuclear physics, c)good grades and no degree in nuclear physics, or d)bad grades and no degree in nuclear physics.
One can have good grades and fail to get a degree -- this is true, and I thank you for pointing it out. This is state "c". State "a" is also possible, as to get a degree in a complex field such as nuclear physics one must have good grades. State "d" represents one who flunks out of a course, and is also obviously possible.
You, by bringing up the possibility that their exists the possibility of good grades without a degree have suggested that grades and degrees are not totally related. You imply (at least, I believe you imply...perhaps you can clarify your position) that this disassociation works both ways; that since one does not have to have a degree to have good grades in a subject, one does not have to have good grades in a subject to have a degree.
This is a wrong assumption, One who received grades as bad as LRH's could never have received a degree from any reputable school in any subject. State "b", the one you are trying to say is possible, is in fact not possible, and by lying about possessing a degree Hubbard was also lying about having good grades.
Of course, this is totally moot, since Hubbard's bad grades and lack of a degree is information available to the public. I for one wonder if you are in fact actually reading the posts you are replying to. --- Ben Allen, Of course, it has to be *Kevin's* dead cat to count. heil...@eskimo.com Lame stuff is fun. remove e and l to e-mail
> >Where did LRH lie about his grades "time after time"? You can't even > >quote *one* sentence where he ever lied about his grades.
Take a look at Russell Miller and Jon Atacck's books, not to speak of mine soon to be out; you could find there some very interesting facts... and those were proferred by your tchurdch, which was itself under the tyrannic orders from its tyrannic despot founder...
> >On 16 Aug 1998 00:11:35 +0200, Anonymous <nob...@replay.com> wrote:
> >>Non sequitur. No quotes have been provided that proved that LRH was > >>"lying about his grades". It would be something like "I obtained an A" > >>where in reality he obtained an F. As usual, you critics have just > >>answered aside the question, pretending that you answered.
> >look, you dipshit, l. ron hubbard DID in fact get an "F" in nuclear physics and > >then later claimed to be one of the first nuclear physicists.
> Getting an F in a branch doesn't necessarily mean that you won't make > the whole curriculum. Getting an A doesn't necessarily mean you will > complete the curriculum.
But he *didn't* make the whole curriculum. Where is his degree in nuclear physics?
> You critics are just lousy in logic, and liars too.
Unbelievable! The words of the truly deluded.
-- Steve A, SP4++, GGBC, KBM, Unsalvageable PTS/SP #12. Banned by Windows 1984 ScienoSitter (2e+isp) "Where don't they want you to go today?" - http://www.xenu.net
> >On the contrary, the OSA scum-clown is setting up a straw man.
> >L. Ron Hubbard was indeed a liar about his academic achievements > >whether he specifically lied about his *grades* or not.
> My dear friend - the "straw man" was made by none other than by lousy > critics. Here is the original sentence:
> On Sun, 09 Aug, "The Exile" <exile...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >It is not just that Hubbard got low grades but he lied about > >them time after time.
> You now say that it's a straw man, yet, this comes straight from a > sentence made by you lousy critics. You once more illustrate my point:
> critics are liars.
> Where did LRH lie about his grades "time after time"? You can't even > quote *one* sentence where he ever lied about his grades.
> You critics are a laughing stock.
Have you any idea what impression this schoolyard hair-splitting gives you, Anonymous, and by extension the "church" you shill for?
Not a good one, I can assure you.
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> >> Non sequitur. No quotes have been provided that proved that LRH was > >> "lying about his grades". It would be something like "I obtained an A" > >> where in reality he obtained an F. As usual, you critics have just > >> answered aside the question, pretending that you answered.
> >> Liars.
> >> QED
> > Jaysus, what a maroon!
> > If someone says they have a degree when they actually *flunked* that is > >tantamount to saying they had the *grades* to have a degree!!
> No, it doesn't prove that LRH lied about his grades. You can have high > grades and still fail to get your degree, because you stopped your > studies, for example.
OTOH, if you have utterly lousy grades, it is unlikely that you will make a big hit in the world of science: yes, there *are* people who have done it - Einstein is a good example - but Einstein produced research which the scientific establishment could work with, even if - as in the case of his Special Theory of Relativity - his hypothesis could not be proven for nine years, until 1919 when an eclipse of the sun gave researchers a chance to measure his predicted light-bending effects.
Hubbard, however, was evidently incapable of conducting any sort of scientific research, grades or no grades.
Remember, too, that he didn't *just* get bad grades: he went on to lie outrageously about his skills and qualifications. Had he been unfortunate enough to get bad grades because, like Einstein, his education was too boring, but then, like Einstein, he had pursued his studies in a scientific manner, it is conceivable that, like Einstein, Hubbard might have had some degree of scientific credibility.
But to suggest that because Hubbard did not lie about his grades, he must have been telling the truth about his degree, his status as a nuclear physicist, etc., etc., is a stupid and naive attempt to bend the truth.
> You obviously can't think. Go back to school, maroon.
Well, that's that Inducto told, eh!
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> >> Non sequitur. No quotes have been provided that proved that LRH was > >> "lying about his grades". It would be something like "I obtained an A" > >> where in reality he obtained an F. As usual, you critics have just > >> answered aside the question, pretending that you answered.
> >> Liars.
> >> QED
> > Jaysus, what a maroon!
> > If someone says they have a degree when they actually *flunked* that is > >tantamount to saying they had the *grades* to have a degree!!
> No, it doesn't prove that LRH lied about his grades. You can have high > grades and still fail to get your degree, because you stopped your > studies, for example.
> You obviously can't think. Go back to school, maroon.
You obviously can't spell moron. Go back to school with him.
In<311-35D78E71...@newsd-103.iap.bryant.webtv.net>, Bobby Parker writes: >QUOTE============================================================= >I observe that not a single one of you was able to answer the question, >which was: >Would you please be kind enough to post the quotes from L. Ron Hubbard >where he lied "time after time" about his grades? >Or even just one quote from him about his grades. >Is it so difficult to post a couple of quotes? No need to refer people >to whole sites or whole books. You obviously can't come up with the >quote, because they simply don't exist. In other words: you guys are >liars. >============================================================UNQUOTE
Obviously, nonny-mouse, you are acting the complete moron and denying the obvious just to stir people up and waste time.
>I think the whole point here is: >1. LRH lied about his education. >2. Some $cieno books have short biographies of him which contain lies. >3. The person (singular) who posted the comment in question about LRH >and his grades later retracted the "grades" part. >4. You are bashing an admitted mistake instead of sticking with the >issue (see#1)
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