In article <80sq2i$sv
...@nclient15-gui.server.virgin.net>, Roland
<roland.rashleigh-be
...@virgin.net> writes:
>What's wrong with deprogramming people? Surely that is what you need to
>do if someone has lost their will and their mind to a cult. That you
>hold them for a time and apply deprogramming techniques in order to
>restore to them some sort of self-determinism can't be described as
>"against their will" since the only "will" they have has been the cult's
>will instilled or brainwashed into them. What is wrong with people? Are
>they not able to grasp the nettle by the horns?
>Roland
Hi Roland - I don't agree with you but well done for saying what you think!
Outside of the Cof$ we all have a right to express our opinions.
I don't agree because it is playing at the programmer's/cult's own game making
us no better than them. In Scn they would call it "closing terminals" or
"adopting a valence" It happens if something is resisted too strongly - you
become or behave like that which was resisted. Psychologically it is
understandable why people do employ a deprogrammer, but it is not good for
one's peace of mind.
The deprogrammers themselves are just taking money for trying to alter the way
a person views life. Remind you of anybody? A David by any other Miscarriage
would smell just as rotten!
On a practical level - does deprogramming work? I doubt it - anyone got
documented evidence of a "successful" deprogram or does the deprogrammee always
drift back to the cult? Anyone got any stats on successes vs failures?
Force doesn't work - ask the Cof$ - they have to constantly re-enforce their
forceful control methods with more threats of force, then more force, then more
threats, etc until the individual peddlers of force either blow themselves off
from the Church or become Ron! The latter outcome means they are trapped in his
cycle of force and attack against enemies real or imagined and trapped in a
constant unsuccessful battle to "clear" the planet. A policy of forceful
deprogramming would have the same outcome - a constant unsuccessful battle to
get people out of the Church.
The Cof$ has a history of using force to discipline its members who they think
have strayed. This goes right back to Hubbard's days at Saint Hill and
especially onboard ships. There are many documented accounts of this even
including a picture in the Church's "Auditor" magazine showing a person being
dunked overboard to enforce "standard tech".
We can show we are better than this by denouncing all uses of force or low
emotions like fear in order to control people. Any cursory study of the tenets
of Scn and Dianetics will show that these tactics used over the years by
Hubbard and the Cof$ are contrary to the beliefs and techniques of the subject
itself.
Hubbard deliberately used what he considered were restimulative images (called
"Bank Buttons"- bearded wise-men, volcanoes and even railway trains!) on the
covers of his books in an attempt to unconsciously remind the person of
"engrams" and "electronic Implants" and thereby control their reactions and
feelings. His ethics tech of "overboarding", "reality adjustment", running
round and round trees in the baking heat, etc. were all done to give people
engrams and secondaries (loss or the threat of loss) in order to be compliant.
Deliberate use of fear, force and pain to "restimulate" people in order to
control them are contrary to the actual published beliefs of their "technology"
so Hubbard and the Cof$ have shown themselves over the years to be insincere
and disingenuous! We don't have to play that same game.
Their tactics haven't worked. The public now has access to the info about what
they have done over the years. They haven't cleared the planet. Their
membership is dropping. Ergo: Force doesn't work. QED!
Stirring up the way a person thinks in order to get them to re-evaluate
opinions that they have adopted and not inspected for some time - now there is
some merit in that. We can all do with a mental spring-clean of our opinions
every now and then. But we all know that that is not what we are talking about
when we talk about deprogramming.
Shocking people into fear and terror by whisking them away from the only people
they believe can offer them eternal freedom and turning them over to people who
they believe are part of a global/many lifetime's conspiracy to supress beings
is not an effect I want to be any part of.
But exposing the Cof$ for what it is - now that's the way to go. Using
deprogramming techniques gives the Cof$ all the PR ammunition it needs. We
don't need to play their game. People DO leave the Church you know! They leave
in large numbers and usually quite soon after joining it. Even after years of
being in it, people DO leave and DO recover. It takes a long time and it is
painful, but people are made of strong stuff, they CAN survive the years of
indoctrination and abuse!
P.S. I have written a booklet of advice to people who have family members who
have joined the Church. It gives them practical steps that they can follow to
stay in touch with the Church member and advice over how to react to their
joining. Plus how to help them while they are in and how to react when they
leave the Church. Anyone got any good suggestions of the best way to publish
this on the Internet and in printed format?
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Searcher Richard
Be of good cheer! The fight against the Church of Scientology has been long and
hard and some of us have suffered in the battle. But we are winning! The public
knows about their activities. Their advanced processing techniques are
available on the Internet for all to see. The Cof$ is losing! Tell the truth
and we can't fail!
All e-mails to me will be deleted from the server unread. But you can
communicate with me via this newsgroup.
