Helluva thing to read this newsgroup after not reading it
for over a year.

ARS has become a carricature of itself. Ugly sonbitch.

ARS =  the mother of all on-line cultish groups.
And the mother of all straw dogs, is the ARSCC
version of Scientology

We used to have some fun on this NG, (believe it or not)
Looks like a wasteland to me now. (and a waste of time)
The ARSCC (which doesn't exist), in an insane  war with an evil
criminal cult. (which also doesn't exist) YAWN - how can
combatants (either side) take this bull so seriously. ya all
need to run repetitive "lighten up to EP" for a few hundred
hrs. (and then maybe get a life)

Yeh, from the perspective of this newsgroup
the pickets etc. are very noble, brave etc.
But from any rational perspective, picketers
are mostly playing the role of the fool even
though praised as heros in their own little world.

And what are Scientologists doing even bothering
to post here. Why play with these people?

Usenet can be fun, entertaining, educational, and
even useful. BUT... you can get so rapped up in it and
so sucked into it that you think you're a warrior
taking part in the making of history, when in reality
you're jsut the same old you and you're just
jerk jerking off. (to the cheers of other jerks
doing the same)

Saving people from Scientology? Protecting the world
from domination by an evil cult? Yeh, sure, whatever.

What a waste. All this time and effort could be going into
something worthwhile or useful in the real world.

Didn't see it at the time, but Bernie was right all along. Ya all
are whatchya think you're fighting. All of ya.

But of course YOU know the TRUTH and you're so damn right
and now ya got yourself in a position ya can never back away from.

Of such things are traps made.

ROCKY (the yawning flying squirell)

In article <19980920050928.23532.00001...@ng127.aol.com>, deadage...@aol.com
says...

What a lovely visual, dear.

Was this written by a teenager? My 14 year old writes this way.

Wordclear squirrel, dear, it only has one 'l'.

Valerie

Wherever you come near the human race, there's layers and layers of nonsense.
Thornton Wilder
Our Town

On 20 Sep 1998 09:09:28 GMT, deadage...@aol.com (DeadAgent1) wrote:

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Obviously you've never seen news:alt.slack!

Reverend David Voth
Church of the SubGenius

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Can you donate your extra CPU cycles?
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rest of the rot."  "Watch now! .... look! .... oooohhh there he goes folks!
He's posting on ARS"
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CHEVROLETS COME OUT

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DO U-TURN

STALL

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CRASH

On 20 Sep 1998 09:09:28 GMT, deadage...@aol.com (DeadAgent1) wrote:

how could it be a caricature of itself?  it was already a caricature of
itself when you left, if you really are rocky the flying squirrel and not
some impostor or OSA agent or something.  

(shit. . .that's what you're talking about, right?)

LRH sez "what you resist you become."  while not a guaranteed truth, it is
a good warning sign for those who go out to be an "anti" anything.  it is
hard not to be a mirror to what you despise, but it is worthwhile to try
not to do so while continuing to oppose it.

actually those of us here sometimes do.

you came here at a pretty ugly time, usually it's not quite *this* awful.
(ok it's always this awful, but sometimes it's funnier.)

"[ars] would have to be a hundred times more dignified
 just to be called sleazy."  -dennis erlich

ok.  true for you.  it is true, the eeeevil sinister cult controlling the
world's governments does not exist, but instead a fairly squalid commercial
enterprise squeaking by on the 501(c)(3) it got through blackmail and
criminal harassment.

that doesn't make the illegitimacy of scn's 501(c)(3) any less a thing to
be opposed, and even with overblown rhetoric at times.

many of the other evils of scientology are also ones that we simply have to
tolerate--that they inflict a flagrantly bogus cosmology on their members
for instance.  fortunately people choose to believe stupid things and have
the right to do so.  no, not unfortunately, fortunately.  while the endless
gaggles of idiots professing any manner of insane beliefs can be annoying,
it is a million times better than any filthy hellhole whee you are instead
forced to believe only what you are told.

but scientology does not stand for freedom, but for the right to have their
own lunatic beliefs while denying others rights to have lunatic beliefs
such as that scientology is an insane criminal cult.

(actually, it *is*.)

you can't hand freedom of speech to one bunch of loonies and then deny it
to others based on the fact that one bunch of loonies has millions of
dollars to file as many lawsuits as it needs to bankrupt you, whether the
charges are even true.

grady ward has a life.
of coughing up two hundred bucks a month the rest of his life to a criminal
organization.  freedom of speech?  well, yeah. . .
but it ain't free.

thanks for the vote of confidence.  just so you know, people who exercise
their right to free speech, regardless of how expensive it is, preserve it
for those who sit on their ass and don't even exercise it.

they have millions to make if they can just shut up all opposition.

i would think their motives are obvious.

perhaps so.

it is highly unlikely the cult will ever take over the world.  it is more
likely something even more evil but less stupid is a greater threat.

would that be the real world in which lisa mcpherson died, or the real
world in which people remain in the RPF?

at times, yes.  it is still worth the fight to keep those times to a
minimum, and end that which is opposed.

dude.  you do not *know* how many positions i have backed away from.

if scn ends the worst of its abuses and becomes merely as nasty and abusive
as any other run-of-the-mill goof-group, i will be flyin' out of here so
fast you wouldn't believe it.

i ain't seen it yet.  i think the nutsiness of scientology has only begun.

rob

In article <19980920050928.23532.00001...@ng127.aol.com>,

 Yeah, moron, get one for Lisa MacPherson while your there---
 she needs one because $cientology took hers.

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Interesting, it seems that it might well be said of CoS that it has devolved
into a caricature of itself, that an organization supposedly dedicated to
spiritual pursuits and "clearing" members of their reactive tendencies now
sends people out to taunt picketers and petulantly counter-picket private
homes.  But then again, Hubbard had some interesting and insightful things to
say about how people accuse others of the things that reflect their own
behavioral faults.....

It seems from time to time we get someone "dropping in" with a long rant that
almost looks like a calculated attempt to demoralize, a siren song along the
lines of "why struggle, it't pointless" just as made by the WWII broadcasts of
Berlin Betty or Tokyo Rose.  Amusingly, such "merchants of chaos" (as CoS
derisively categorizes the voices that predict gloom and doom) were saying
similar things last year -- and probably the year before that -- about how
a.r.s. had decayed into uselessness, so it sounds like and old and worn line.

a.r.s. goes though its ups and downs, and while there is a good bit of posting
by "critics" I don't like and think is counterproductive, I can't see any basis
for making an argument that a.r.s. has gotten _worse_.  I'd say the overall, if
long-tmer effect of a.r.s. is quite clear, in things like CoS' increasingly
desperate reactions to pickets, and the media increasingly reciting the outline
CoS' "space opera" including Xenu and referring to CoS "claims" of millions of
members (rather than referring to it as fact).  And it seems clear that the
Internet has just in the last year brought out and brought together some some
people like Ishmael, SB, and the man who may turn out to be CoS' most
troublesome defection to date -- Jesse Prince.  That's quite an effect.  I've
also been quite impressed when interacting with Gen-Xers and computer system
administrators, how many people are at least peripherally aware of the
controversy surrounding CoS and the organization's reputation for bad behavior.

I'd be hesitant to give weight to any grandiose claims for the effectiveness of
a.r.s.; it may actually be more quiet movements like the Freezone that will
dismantle CoS' abusive monopoly in the end.  But I'd hardly discount it,
especially the subtle effects of widespread international publicity of CoS'
questionable organizational behavior.

I.

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s>ubject: Re: The de-evolution of ARS

A truly gifted child no doubt.

Yeh, I know. After a few beers my spellchecker don't work right.

Rocky (the flying squirrel)

word clear your ass.

Rocky  (the flying squirrel)

Yeh, Hi Rob. I stand corrected.

Yep, wonder how often when we get super into an anti cause it is because it
mirrors something in oursleves we don't wanr to look at.

Maybe I'll stick around a while and put on my funny "hat."

LOL!

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Read a couple of posts with that spin, Rob.
Freedom of speech IS free. Just don't screw
with people's copyrights who are for sure going to sue ya. Don't take a lot of
brains to see that. Notice Dennis is all into legal mode now too, but it's all
after the fact. He was in the hellwithyaandyourdamnlawers mode when he posted
the stuff. More power to him, but the rewrite of ARS history is pretty lame and
the
free speech aint free spin is pretty lame..

<snip>

No disrespect to Lisa's memory, but playing
the "Lisa Card" don't mean much to me, and
the RPF ain't all that it's cracked down to be either.

<snip>

Believe ya. I remember  the bomb
threat crap. Least you had the gutts
to finally fess up. As opposed to Klemsrud
who never came straight over the miss
bloodybutt thing. (but think all but maybe
a few of the real slow folk figured it out in the end)

Ya should of left by now. It ain't THAT bad.
You've been fed a diet of horror stories
for too long. On the other hand where the hell would ya go?

Take care of your own self, Rob.

Rocky (the flying squirrel)