>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>David Alexander
Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own abberations have kept it going.
In article <19971026101601.FAA21...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
WONDERFULR <wonderf...@aol.com> wrote: >>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>David Alexander
>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It > was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own > abberations have kept it going.
No, it was Hubbard who kept wondering when society was going to discover his crimes and lies. That is why he was paranoid. This is the fool who kept getting arrested and sued for thefts. Arrested in San Luis Obispo for a bad check, sued by Parsons for his thefts, arrested for stealing a $9000 from the Dianetics Foundation after which he fled to England, and later to sea in the Sea Org. A paranoid thief and conman, who died running and hiding. A bitter and angry sociopath who also left a trail of lies behind him for the world to discover. He was a war hero, he was a nuclear scientists, Dianetics could raise your IQ and cure most ills. Scientology could give you OT powers. A liar from start to finish. A thief and conman fleeing into the desert abandoning yet another wife to serve time in prison for crimes he also committed. He impuslively lied and cheated every day of his life and worried about being caught.
This is the man who lied that after WWII he was "crippled and almost blind" and abandoned by his family. When it was he who abandoned his own family, a wife and two small children to go play black magician and sex magician at Parson's OTO temple. "Mommy, where's Daddy?"
Scientology still peddles this lie on their web site. And is always so paranoid their lies and crimes wil be discovered. That is why so few Scientologists post here and why they cannot really debate anything, just keep up a string of embittered persoanl attacks, post DA packs, and 'wins'. There is nothing good about this cult and many withholds and crimes and embarressments to admit to.
Russ, when is Scientology going to stop peddle the WIS? lies by Hubbard on their website? Why did Hubbard tell this grotesque lie on his own familym, his own flesh and blood?
Wgert and RonsAmigo can not even bring themselves to comment on this amazing set of outrageous lies. No confront. No affinity for truths, for noting Hubbard's lies and callousness. Typical Scientologists. So many lies, so little time.
If Scientology started abandoning Ron's lies and pathological policies, there wouldn't be much left of Scientology, would there? So you people dare not even start.
"Mommy, Where's Daddy"? "Jacking off Jack Parsons, honey."
In Message-ID: <19971026101601.FAA21...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR) wrote: >>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>David Alexander
>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It > was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own > abberations have kept it going.
This is one of my favorite parts of the Scientology mindset.
Translated roughly into English, what Russ is saying is that we criticize Scientology because of evil things that WE'VE done and we're afraid that Scientology (with it's superior "tech") has found out about. Russ goes on to say that our being insane ("abberated", lacking Scientology processing - it's the same thing) keeps this cycle going.
Is that a HOOT or what?
This idea originated with L. Ron Hubbard, of course. L. Ron said that the ONLY reason anyone criticizes Scientology is because they're a criminal. Not because of anything IT'S done, no, that couldn't be it...
If anyone complains about the COS gleefully litigating people into bankruptcy, shielding a child molester or neglecting a poor troubled woman to death in the home of 100% standard tech, it's simply because they're a criminal. No, really.
While you're here, Russ, would you mind answering a question? L. Ron says that thoughts have actual physical weight! No kidding, he says that by actual measuements somebody lost 30 pounds by blowing a troubling engram. Is this true? I could stand to lose a couple weighty engrams myself, but I gotta say this sounds like complete crap. No doubt this is because of some terrible crime I've committed, though, right?
>>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>David Alexander
>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It > was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own > abberations have kept it going. >[WONDERFULR]
DAMN! You know about me? Shit. You mean all this time I could have been open and honest instead of closed and revealing about COS charlatanry? God how will I ever make up the damage to the group?
All seriousness aside, WONDERFLIST, you know this is a knee-jerk reaction to appease group demands that you demonstrate "friend of the group". It was part of Hubbard's duplicitious design that you would feel the compulsion to seem aggressive like other Scientologists. Have you ever referenced the attrition rate of Scientology membership? Someday You, too, will cognite on the blind "wannabee" of supporting Hubbard's original overt--that of missing our witholds--a deliberate, suppressive act. It is the property of Politicians and Judges (and now Scientologists) to miss witholds as an overture to "making a living"--blackmail, if you will. How else can Scientologists enforce their threat to others' salvation (Intro to Scientology Ethics, p156; also Trouble-Source policies (Type C) that threaten denial of Salvation to anyone who would snitch to the authorities about the felonious crimes of the charlatan Church of Scientology).
One thing Scientologists (and Hubbard before you) overlook is we all have overts--making it a moot point--were it not for the fact that you have kept yours well-hidden causing us to frantically cover our own because we can't defend ourselves by pointing to yours. Hubbard realized, very craftily, that this leaves one feeling very naked and defenseless, and depicts them as being "wrong"--while depicting Hubbard and the church as being "right"--and that's Hubbard's ser fac (self-righteousness obsession). What you are observing in the church today is their MISSED WITHOLD as we on ARS are "PULLING" (not missing) COS's witholds and crimes. Instead of confronting their crimes (which would gain a much better world press), they are denying and hiding their crimes desperately.
Now the dedicated ARSers are turning the tables on the criminality (Type B-ness) of Scientologists. To quote Hubbard, "Even while [you] scream at us, [you] know...down deep [that] we threaten [your] eternity"--Intro to Scientology Ethics, p156.
On 26 Oct 1997 10:16:03 GMT, wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR) wrote:
>>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>David Alexander >Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It > was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own > abberations have kept it going.
you really ARE a wonderfool, aren't you?
if your dumb ho of babble-on hadn't sent an rmgroup, and your cancelbunny hadn't illegally forged cancels, i would never have even heard of this newsgroup, i certainly wouldn't have sat about worrying about scientology but instead perhaps had a laugh about it.
if you hadn't then raided dennis erlich, i wouldn't have stayed.
you are, however, honestly so fucking stupid i bet you believe that twaddle.
On 26 Oct 1997 10:16:03 GMT. wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR). From: AOL http://www.aol.com. Wrote on the subject: Re: COS's "Original Overt"?:
>>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>David Alexander
>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It > was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own > abberations have kept it going.
Hi Wonder Russ, remember this? You are such a predictable Ronbot :-))
Russell Shaw joined a.r.s. and immediately tried to push the critics around, telling them to knock off the critical talk. Then he had an idea...
From news.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.americ an.edu!auvm!aol.com!WONDERFULR Sat Jan 28 11:52:01 1995 Path: news.primenet.com!news.sprintlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!paladin.americ an.edu!auvm!aol.com!WONDERFULR Comments: Gated by NETN...@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology Message-ID: <950128063857_2181642@aol.com> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 06:38:59 -0500 Reply-To: WONDERF...@aol.com Sender: owner-LR...@cornell.edu From: WONDERF...@aol.com Subject: GOOD NEWS ON ARS X-PH: V...@cornell.edu (Cornell Modified) X-Listprocessor-Version: 7.1 -- ListProcessor by CREN Lines: 91
GOOD NEWS ON ARS
I think I may have a solution that can work for everybody.
When I asked for help in getting the graffiti spraying to stop, you guys held back. One even posted that you folks *knew* a way to stop it, but would not tell me.
Now, I understand that I am a net newbie, but let me run this idea by you.
I want the graffiti to stop. You have your free speech rights. If you were doing what you are doing in private e-mail, I would not know (or care). I just don't like the endless stuff that gets repeated here that is vile and false.
Solution: I send a request uplines in the church for an official worldwide Call to Arms. We want each Scientologist with a computer and a modem to post their success stories to *every* newsgroup that has any sizeable amount of black PR being posted.
The Scientologists would need to be notified of which newsgroups and their net address. The Scientologists would not need to read any of the existing posts on those newsgroups, as they can see all the success stories they like, at their local org.
Now, I'm not talking about paltry 100-200 posts a day. I'm talking about ENOUGH of the success stories to really "paint over" all of the graffiti. If a particular newsgroup had 100 negative posts a day going to it, then we would need to post at *least* 2000-3000 success stories a day to that newsgroup.
To make sure that *our* stuff is on an "equal footing" with the black pr stuff, each Scientologist posting would need the names of the current threads and only use those names for their subject headers. These would change from month to month, so there is a bit of admin involved, but I'm certain it can be done.
To ensure that a negative sysop does not kill file the theta posts, the success story posters could post from anonymous remailers. They might need to change the anonymous remailer site they posted from once in a while to ensure that their posts got through, but this could be handled (again, with a bit of organization)
What I envision is that every newsgroup that has significant entheta posts getting ENOUGH theta posts to completely cancel out the negative.
I could be way off on the numbers. It might take 9000-10,000 posts a day to some newsgroups to do the job. But if that is what it takes, then that is what it takes.
This would be a real opportunity for Scientologists everywhere to contribute, without really spending a lot of time. When I consider how much Scientologists like to help and how little of their time this would take, I see real possibilities. There are probably enough Scientologists in Los Angles alone to do this, but I see it as a world wide cooperative effort amongst the group. Plus, I like the international idea.
What is now ars (or other similar newsgroups) could become large e- mail groups. You guys can enjoy your free speech, and I get the graffiti to stop.
Naturally, this is just my idea at this point, and there may be something I have not considered.
If the church did endorse the idea, it would be a great PR move too. The broad press releases about how Scientology success stories (and selected texts like What is Scientology) were available at no charge on the internet.
There are details of course; , like someone to monitor all net newsgroups for selected words (Scn, C of S, Hubbard, etc.) to see if there were new places that needed some success stories.
This is just a rough outline of my plan, and I know it needs a lot of polishing. As there are a lot of people here who know considerably more about computers and the internet than I, please feel free to post your input on this idea.
I welcome the assistance. I want to work this out.
Sincerely,
Russell Shaw
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>In Message-ID: <19971026101601.FAA21...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, >wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR) wrote: >>>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>>David Alexander
>>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. It >> was the uncertainity of if we had, that got you started. Your own >> abberations have kept it going.
> This is one of my favorite parts of the Scientology mindset.
> Translated roughly into English, what Russ is saying is that we > criticize Scientology because of evil things that WE'VE done and > we're afraid that Scientology (with it's superior "tech") has found > out about. Russ goes on to say that our being insane ("abberated", > lacking Scientology processing - it's the same thing) keeps this > cycle going.
> Is that a HOOT or what?
Well, what puzzles me is that David Alexander (who is the guy up there with three chevrons before his text) asked the CoS what overts/withholds THEY had that drew ARS after them, & Wonderfuller's response was to state what overts/withholds ARS had that drew them to the CoS.
In otherwords, Wonderfuler didn't understand the question. Must have been a Misunderstood Word there, Russ. Dig out the dictionary, & start word clearing each & every one of those little buggers in David's post.
For the record, I'm still not sure why I started posting to ARS. I had the itch long before Jairus Godeka decided to walk into the Salmon Street offices of the Cos & start shooting people. Maybe Hubbard was right: overts & withholds pull that stuff in. One day, sitting in front of a computer at Transport Logic, I decided to check out alt.religion.scientology, & from that moment the fun never ended.
And for the record, it doesn't matter to me if you word clear the above, Russ. Or if you consider your overts & withholds, either. I can continue my life wihtout worry if you achieve a more ehtical or sane existence; but can you continue your existence knowing that I might post again to ARS - today, tomorrow, or maybe next week? And that my posts might lead to other people deciding to steer away from the CoS?
Gosh, clearing the planet can be a bitch, can't it?
Geoff Olympic-Class Bore
Return address altered to foil spambots. Change ``cyberpromo" to``agora", & your email will reach me.
>>>Hubbard presented that for one to be suppressed by another he must have >>>first committed an overt against the suppressor.
>>>COS, I ask you... What was your original overt against us?
>>>David Alexander
>>Missing your withholds. Making you wonder if we had found out about you. >It >> was the uncertainty of if we had, that got you started. Your own >> aberrations have kept it going.
>No, ...
<crap Charles shit snip>
>That is why so few Scientologists post here and why they >cannot really debate anything,
Does it *ever* occur to loons like you that people who ~do~ things in life don't have the time or interest in "debate" that you and the other arsholes have?
>Russ, when is Scientology going to stop peddle the WIS? lies by
When are you going to actually accomplish something in your own life? When are you going to actually DO something constructive?
>Wgert and RonsAmigo can not even bring themselves to comment >on this amazing set of outrageous lies. No confront.
No. Not like you at all. You are real smart and real successful. It shows, Crap Charles.
>"Mommy, Where's Daddy"? "Jacking off Jack Parsons, honey."
