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gerry armstrong  
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 More options Jun 23 1998, 3:00 am
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From: armstr...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.

This post from cult agent briansmbaker should clear things up for
agent Street. The rot of Scientology black PR is inexcusable.

Gerry

Subject:      Re: Questions for Ron's Amigo, week #15 and still no
answers
From:         briansmba...@hotmail.com
Date:         1998/04/24
Message-ID:   <6hqkl8$sr3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>
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In article <353a3c5d.131503...@news.dowco.com>#1/1,
  armstr...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:

> On 16 Apr 1998 06:19:38 GMT, wonderf...@aol.com (WONDERFULR) wrote:

> >That this is ***EXACTLY*** what I am talking about.  It would be also quite
> >easy to make a case that "the sun was shining each time an animal died -
> >THATis why they died".

snip

snip

> Gerry

Based on your "logic", it would be irresponsible not to compare you to
others who have violated the law or publicly supported positions that
the vast majority of the populace find insane. People like Tobin
Hinckley, Timothy McVeigh or the World Trade Center bombers. Of
course, many people are convinced you are as certifiable as those
nutcases and therefore the comparison is fair - until you prove it not
to be the case. But of course, that is going to require you dealing
with your fugitive status and jail time before anyone could give you
*any* credibility.

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Andreas Heldal-Lund  
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From: hel...@online.no (Andreas Heldal-Lund)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, armstr...@dowco.com (gerry armstrong) wrote:
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

>I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.

If that claim from Rinder resulted in anything it is me finding
new ways to fight this criminal cult! They really know how to
give me inspiration to fight them!

Best wishes, Andreas Heldal-Lund
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never yet hurt anybody. It is only persistence in self-delusion
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From: "/\\ndroid <at" <android...@hotmail.com>
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

gerry armstrong wrote in message <358f4759.134044...@news.dowco.com>...
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

>I am honored to share that cult black PR positioning with Bob.

>This post from cult agent briansmbaker should clear things up for
>agent Street. The rot of Scientology black PR is inexcusable.

>Gerry

Perhaps Rinder was talking about the *other* Timothy McVeigh -- the sailor
who was "outted" by idiots at AOL, after the navy used slimey social
engineering tactics to obtain personal information. The one who got a
(presumably large) settlement out of AOL, and a silver parachute from the
navy.

Hmm...
Slimey investigation
Stupidity at AOL
A large damage settlement
Major footbulleting

Yes, obviously that's the Timothy McVeigh that Mike meant.  Quite a clever
analogy too!  Of course, if he DID mean the Oklahoma bomber McVeigh then
he's just a cult loon attempting lame Dead Agent tactics--but we should be
nice, and assume otherwise.

/\<.
Clambots! Clambots!
Whatcha gonna do, whatcha gonna do when OSA comes for you?
Clambots!

And what DID happen to JuStan, wgerty (and his pig) and the rest?  Were they
shut down to devote computing resources to Team Scientology's massive
crypto-cracking effort?


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Deana Holmes  
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From: mir...@newsguy.com (Deana Holmes)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, armstr...@dowco.com (gerry

armstrong) wrote:
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
caused a lot of discussion among my relatives.  They still think I'm
crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.  

I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue.  This
person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
Dateline.  No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.

Deana

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EldonB123  
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From: eldonb...@aol.com (EldonB123)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

>>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike Rinder's

black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

Someone on the AOL clam board said that Rinder's ethics presence was obvious.
It sure was.


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Keith Henson  
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From: hkhen...@netcom.com (Keith Henson)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

Deana Holmes (mir...@newsguy.com) wrote:

: On Tue, 23 Jun 1998 06:29:02 GMT, armstr...@dowco.com (gerry

: armstrong) wrote:

: >I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
: >Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

: I'd like to say publicly that the Dateline story about Bob Minton has
: caused a lot of discussion among my relatives.  They still think I'm
: crazy, but they can't bring themselves to say that a wealthy,
: successful man like Bob Minton is crazy.  

I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.

Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.

: I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
: relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue.  This
: person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
: Dateline.  No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
: going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.

There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
donating money during pickets.

Keith Henson


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Lisa Chabot  
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From: lscdoesnteatspamanym...@netcom.com (Lisa Chabot)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

gerry armstrong <armstr...@dowco.com> wrote:
>I see that cult agent Delaware Street is attempting to excuse Mike
>Rinder's black PR effort to position Bob Minton with Timothy McVeigh.

These sort of arguments--the one presented by DS--make me feel like
we've, well, been slimed.  From "Ghostbusters".  It's icky, annoying,
but not very dangerous.

Or for another analogy, it's like when you were a kid and picked up
a little lizard or a snake, and it panicked and crapped on your hand.

Intellectually stinky, but it washes off.  Just don't eat it.

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WHIPPERSNAPPER  
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From: Whips...@cris.com (WHIPPERSNAPPER)
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

Now, THIS I find remarkable.

We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
Scientologist!

Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood.  She feels she
must convert them!  Some think she's crazy!

This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels.  I
wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.
Henson, apparently.  Anyone else?  Practically all, I'll bet.

There's a Scn principle:  What you resist you become -- if you lose.

In article <hkhensonEv0nKL....@netcom.com>,

Oh gee, Henson, we think well of ourselves, don't we?

Lemme see... your example is that of a malicious propagandist and a failed
litigant whose PR game (to justify harassment-via-copyright violation as
if it were a public service) backfired horrifically; a guy whose time is
apparently largely spent on the streets with a sign slamming a religious
sect or posting rumors and deprecations to the Internet.

I imagine, perhaps uncharitably, that what time you have left in the day
must be spent hiding money (how you earn any I haven't a clue), securing
assets (if you have any) against collection and drinking cheap beer with
like-minded buddies.

You stand for all to see as an archetypical example, most especially for
those seeking new careers; spraining your arm as you pat yourself on the
back.

It's sorta funny in a tragic way.  You too, like Deana, are a caricature
of what you think you're fighting.

>: I had the longest discussion that I'd ever had with one of my
>: relatives on Sunday night regarding the Scientology issue.  This
>: person brought it up, and specifically mentioned the Minton story on
>: Dateline.  No converts (yet, and given my relatives, probably not
>: going to happen), but perhaps a tiny bit more understanding.

>There is considerable more understanding out here--I have had calls from
>total strangers supporting me, and people have started coming up and
>donating money during pickets.

>Keith Henson

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Rebecca Hartong  
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 More options Jun 23 1998, 3:00 am
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From: "Rebecca Hartong" <hart...@erols.com>
Date: 1998/06/23
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

Keith Henson wrote in message ...
>Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.

Hmm...

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From: Wul...@SPAMOFF.Total.net (Wulfen)
Date: 1998/06/24
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

I'm posting this for Deep Wog (who was the better half at the APA
counterpicket):

The BURGERFLIPPER scribbled:

>Now, THIS I find remarkable.

Are all $cientologists so easily amused?

Oh wait.  I forgot.  One of the first things $cientology must destroy
is the sense of humour.  No doubt open laughter is an ethics
violation;
to the RPF with the offenders!

>We have Deana Holmes discussing her Anti-Scn-ism WRT her family and
>friends in much the same terms and circumstances as many a new
>Scientologist!

Well, KNUCKLECRACKER, I guess you'll just have to produce these "many"
"new scientologists" before we can give your claims more weight than
a neutrino, eh?

>Her zeal is not shared by them nor is it well understood.  She feels she
>must convert them!  Some think she's crazy!

It's funny, I sometimes think the same thing when I see otherwise
normal
human beings standing on busy sidewalks, trying to "convert" passers
by
to the 'glorious' tenants of the "Church" of $cientology.

Who but a borderline nutcase would do something like this?  Especially
with the *proven fact* that the "Church" IS a criminal cult.  The
answer,
of course, without question, absolutely NO doubt, is that *NO ONE*
would
do this -- these people are dupes of the criminal cult.

This explains why the "Church" so frightened of the pickets.  It
certainly can't be the act of informaing the public;  even the Co$
knows that the average member of the public would rather live beside
an
open tank of raw sewage rotting in the bright August sunshine than
reside
next door to an Org of the Criminal Cult.  Naturally.  So it must be
the
'church' is terrified -- in a near panic -- that current members of
the
cult discover the truth.  It doesn't take much; just a whee *whiff*
of that potent elixir, and a lifelong addict is formed and the cult
is down one more member.  Yes indeed, without a doubt, the criminal
cult
is firmly on the path of slowly suffering a death of a thousand cuts
[revenue
cuts, of course!] if it keeps to current form.

>This is fascinating, and you just can't fail to see the parallels.  I
>wonder how many other cult-of-critics members have the same problems.

Good Bob!  Is the CANDYWRAPPER next going to suggest that even the
critics must eat, sleep and (gasp!) breath?  Can it be true?  What
other
ominous parallels are there between the critics and your average Co$
flunky on alt.religion.scientology?  Is there *any* substance to
recent
reports that the critics also have to go to the washroom -- just like
a member of the criminal cult?

>Henson, apparently.  Anyone else?  Practically all, I'll bet.

>There's a Scn principle:  What you resist you become -- if you lose.

You certainly *are* revealing today, aren't you, WOODYWHACKER?  Like
most people, you were "resisting" the urge to be a member of the
criminal cult.  After all, who wouldn't?  People do not naturally want
to "destroy" someone else for the act of criticism -- it takes
special,
in depth, training only available (at great expense) from the criminal
cult to become someone like this.

So presumably you "lost" your struggle -- and became a $cientologist.
Grady Ward is dead-on:  a criminal cult, made up of losers and
weaklings.
Now officially confirmed!

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Starshadow  
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From: starshad...@mindless.com (Starshadow)
Date: 1998/06/24
Subject: Re: Bob Minton is as unlike McVeigh as I am

In article <hkhensonEv0nKL....@netcom.com>, hkhen...@netcom.com says...

> I have had similar responses among people who know of my involvement.

> Bob Minton and I have a similiar leadership style, we lead by example.

  Keith darlin', I admire the heck out of you. But I don't think I'm
gonna post the NOTS anytime soon.

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