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Bob  
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 More options May 28, 6:48 pm
From: Bob <rwrichards...@comcast.net>
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 28 2008 6:48 pm
Subject: Quality of body work
Hello all,
   In the restoration of my car, I have discovered that at some point
the rear body work was replaced. When I stripped the paint on the car,
the rear section was originally painted a light yellow with no primer.
There was no Bondo under this yellow. On top of this yellow there were
small amounts of Bondo before the final blue paint job. From the
cockpit forward there seemed to be a lot of bondo applied on top of a
flat black primer, plus a lot of bondo on top of the bare aluminum.
Also, on the aluminum I found an 18" rondel with the # 42 inside of
it.This outline of the rondel and numbers is barely visible and is
only a discolour of the aluminum. My real question is..How particular
or fussy was the factory with their paint jobs? Secondly, does anyone
know of a car being raced in bare aluminum with the # 42 on the nose?
I also wanted to say thanks to everyone in this group for their
knowledge and having a forum to share their interest in these cars.
Regards, Bob

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Vic Thomas  
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 More options May 28, 7:44 pm
From: "Vic Thomas" <victor.tho...@virgin.net>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 00:44:34 +0100
Local: Wed, May 28 2008 7:44 pm
Subject: Re: Quality of body work
Dear Bob
Unless the factory used a particular car themselves, most Elevens
were sold unpainted.
Regards
VFT


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Peter Yeomans  
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 More options May 28, 11:47 pm
From: "Peter Yeomans" <ye...@broadband2u.com.au>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:47:20 +1000
Local: Wed, May 28 2008 11:47 pm
Subject: RE: Quality of body work
Hi everyone-can someone tell me the actual length of De Dion tubes for
series one and series 2 please?
Regards
Peter Yeomans


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Discussion subject changed to "climax engines" by Peter Yeomans
Peter Yeomans  
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 More options May 29, 1:07 am
From: "Peter Yeomans" <ye...@broadband2u.com.au>
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:07:08 +1000
Local: Thurs, May 29 2008 1:07 am
Subject: RE: climax engines

HI everyone - I have been away for 7 weeks and this post to our chat room
below was forwarded to me by Bruce as a follow up to his previous
information a couple of months back-I have a photo of his high top piston
designed by a specialist race engineer but cant post to this site.

Regards Peter Yeomans

"Hi Guys,

Pardon my intrusion into this forum but I may be able to throw some more
light on FW engines.

A few observations after playing with many FW engines over the years.

FWP 1020 early blocks have no lumps on the side for crank clearance in 1500
size so are only really useful for 1100 engines. They can be used and the
trick was to take the oil in and out of the crankcase side to the cooler /
filter.

The head has no generator mount on the front but it can be used in extreme
cases. The chambers are quite a bit deeper than FWA/E car heads and need to
have high crown pistons to be really of any use.

I have also measured differences of up to 0.060" in depth measured at the
valve centre lines to the chamber face between the valve heads. The
shallowest head was 0.516" the deepest was 0.577"

A standard FWA /E car engine head is close to 0.420" in depth.

The chamber widths are also markedly different.

FWP and E heads are usually a touch under 3.0" wide whilst FWBP heads vary
from 3.164" up the 3.207"  

The FWB head is low compression with deeper chamber and shorter valve by
about 3/16". The pistons used where also dished to lower the compression
ratio.

However the valve sizes on the FWBP 1500 head are bigger than the FWE. So if
you have an FWBP 1500 pump engine, with the use of high top pistons with a
wedge built on top you can get good compression ratio without milling the
head face. This is desirable as it leaves the head nice and strong. We are
doing a race engine right now with this set up.

I'll keep you posted on results in next couple of months.

By the way the FWBP block came in two sizes, 1020 and 1500 the only
difference being in the bore for the liners and the crank stroke.

The nice thing about these FWB blocks is that they are identical to the FWE
block but do need to have the extra oil gallery and take off drillings done
to make them work as replacements for ruined FWE blocks.

I have two of them running in Elite race cars with absolutely no problems.

We make a crank case stiffening systems and use fully counterweighted billet
cranks with "phantom" 2 & 4 mains. With a light flywheel and special JE
pistons and good rods these engine will spin reliably to over 8,000 RPM We
also line bore the blocks to suit the Ford/MG bearing set up but tighten the
tolerances, as the blocks expand more than you think when hot. We experience
oil pressure of 70 psi hot running on a standard car type oil pump. I also
reduce the amount of oil that goes up to the cam shaft a bit by using an
adjustable flow valve in the valve gear take off port in the side of the
block.

I hope this info helps.

Cheers,

Bruce Mansell  


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Discussion subject changed to "Quality of body work" by Vic Thomas
Vic Thomas  
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 More options May 30, 3:36 am
From: "Vic Thomas" <victor.tho...@virgin.net>
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:36:58 +0100
Local: Fri, May 30 2008 3:36 am
Subject: Re: Quality of body work

Dear Peter

I have had cause to make both types from scratch
using a very heavy homemade jig. Want to buy it ?
I will look up the lengthe s for you.
Rgards
VFT
ps Mike Brotherwood has made dozens.


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Bob  
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 More options Jun 8, 9:44 pm
From: Bob <rwrichards...@comcast.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 18:44:09 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Jun 8 2008 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: Quality of body work
Hi Peter, I bought some 11 parts from a fellow in New York. He had a
couple of sets of blue prints for the series 1 DeDions. I can call him
and see if he has any copies. My car is a series one and I will
measure it for you. Just give me a day or two to get to it. Regards,
Bob

On May 28, 11:47 pm, "Peter Yeomans" <ye...@broadband2u.com.au> wrote:


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